The Walrus Was Paul

[nicolas]

News from my family tell that Paul was found after many days on a beach near Dover.
So his corpse was confused with that of a Walrus.

Brian had an accident with his plane.

Flying.

[jojo]

Two things that were played out in MMT, one was the dwarf who lay down on the beach as Bill looked on, and then the "Flying" sequence with the unused Dr Strangelove footage. If he was washed ashore after being out (dumped) at sea, then that's actually quite possible. Without going into details, I saw a police photo of John Kennedy Jr. after, (he was found) and yes... that's what it looks like...

[nicolas]

The bloody waves on that beach... Goodbye Paul

[jojo]

Notably, that was the original sleeve on the first release of Pepper in the US, and later releases didn't have it. I have the first release that I picked up in a used record shop, and a copy my uncle bought a couple of years after release as a basis for comparison.

Is there something more in this besides the obvious? I've scanned it and tried to flip it and such, but so far nothing.

[Athenais]

nicolas said:

Paul was found after many days on a beach...

Tales of Brave Ulysses
Eric Clapton

You thought the leaden winter would bring you down forever,
But you rode upon a steamer to the violence of the sun.

And the colors of the sea blind your eyes with trembling mermaids,
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses:
How his naked ears were tortured by the sirens sweetly singing,
For the sparkling waves are calling you to kiss their white laced lips.

And you see a girl's brown body dancing through the turquoise,
And her footprints make you follow where the sky loves the sea.
And when your fingers find her, she drowns you in her body,
Carving deep blue ripples in the tissues of your mind.

The tiny purple fishes run laughing through your fingers,
And you want to take her with you to the hard land of the winter.

Her name is Aphrodite and she rides a crimson shell,
And you know you cannot leave her for you touched the distant sands
With tales of brave Ulysses; how his naked ears were tortured
By the sirens sweetly singing.

The tiny purple fishes run lauging through your fingers,
And you want to take her with you to the hard land of the winter.

from Cream's album Disraeli Gears 1967

[Athenais]

nicolas said:

Brian had an accident with his plane.

Flying.

I'm not so sure of that...

What about those scenes of a yellow car?



That car is crashed over a cliff on the Sgt. Pepper cover.
Mirroring the scene of the dwarf on the opposite side.

Brian's car:

[Athenais]

Here are the dwarf scenes from Magical Mystery Tour



and the cover of Sgt. Pepper

[Athenais]

Athenais said:

Clarification: Brian didn't actually live at the home in Sussex. It was purchased in 1967 after his death. However the car in the driveway there is typical of the cars that he owned.

[Perplexed]

Hmmm, Flying, planes......
In the "Magical Mystery Trip" video, William is shown flying away in a rather well appointed jet, does it say "NBC" on it? a nice private jet, with Mal and a young fellow, and is that Klaus Voorman? and another, lawyer/bi money/ mogul lookin' dude. They have brief cases, clipboards, and are into some business and wuite animated with the camera. Home movies OK then....

So, Ringo George and John-no Lear jet, no private flights in America with Mal, Klaus, Mr $$$ and the lad.

Why the private plane?

Now, I gotta comment, the bit with the uplifted pants leg and the sock showing through...........I would actually do something like that--even today in my middle age---but is that becoming of a Pop star? Race horse ankles.....

I must start having more fun in my home movies. NO, nothing kinky.

A little clowning helps the day wear on..........

[photonman]

gosh this is pretty deep stuff. how would anybodi know about if brian flew a plane? and what about paul was killed in the car wreck or was killed by assassins and found on the hill by the vw? the beach thing doesn't jibe with that. this is new to me cause i never heard of this before.

i thought the walrus was john, he sang the song didn't he? and wore the costume and all. i am getting confused because i see stuff about brian being walrus now and also paul.

i hate to sound even more stupid to ask this question but how can i put a pic in my posting? i don't think i can understand this code stuff too good.

[Revisionism]

photonman said:

gosh this is pretty deep stuff. how would anybodi know about if brian flew a plane? and what about paul was killed in the car wreck or was killed by assassins and found on the hill by the vw? the beach thing doesn't jibe with that. this is new to me cause i never heard of this before.

i thought the walrus was john, he sang the song didn't he? and wore the costume and all. i am getting confused because i see stuff about brian being walrus now and also paul.

i hate to sound even more stupid to ask this question but how can i put a pic in my posting? i don't think i can understand this code stuff too good.

With all due respect, Photoman. Perhaps you may want to learn to "walk", before attempting the "One Hundred Yard Dash". Such "exercises" as "Caps" and basic "spelling", may prove helpful in trying to put up a good post. I'm aware that none of us are perfect. Myself included.

I apologize in advance if any offence is taken. It is not intended. Merely a helpful hint.

[LibertyX]

I don't figure how Brian being killed in a plane crash fits in with the double kidnapping story. Wasn't Brian suppose to be the target? Has the story completely changed?

[Athenais]

from the book The Beatles by Hunter Davies

[Total Info]

And who is Nat Weiss?

[nicolas]

.... Boy, you're gonna carry that weight
Carry that weight a long time ...



.... because the Walrus was Paul ...

[nicolas]

Athenais said:

from the book The Beatles by Hunter Davies

From Magical Mystery Tour The Film.
Is that the same plane of "A Day In The Life"?

[nicolas]

Death Cab For Cutie

[Perplexed]

and the three wals I mean walls (not walrusses, walls) represent, what exactly?

Walls. Humpty Dumpty had a great fall........
all the kings horses and all the kingsmen...

"Eggmen. Appointed to restore the broken egg.

An eggshell, cracked from falling off a wall.

A head is shaped like a egg. A cranium can shatter.

From a big fall.

blew his mind out in a car

only mistake you made was in your head


death cab for cutie

a cab moves you; but Humpty SAT still on a wall....

Paul didnot notice the lights had changed, then Paul was driving. He would not have been driving a cab.

Unless, its another kind of cab........a semi truck has a so called cab.
planes "taxi" down the runway, in America anyway...

a cab carries a "fair".

i'm stuck

[Truthseeker]

Trying to get inside the head of the late great John Winston Lennon could give anyone a headache. That man was DEEP !!!

It was Frian, not Brian getting on that plane. Maybe he knew that he was no longer an asset to TPTB, & his days were numbered on this earth !

Why a brown paper bag for Sgt. Pepper

[Athenais]

Truthseeker said:

It was Frian, not Brian getting on that plane...

Exactly.

Nat Weiss was Brian's buisness partner and attorney in New York. He certainly knew the real Brian. He is one of the few who insists that Brian's death was NOT a suicide.

Another interesting comment from Nat Weiss:

Brian was the total manager of the Beatles. He kept a circle around the Beatles. Nobody got to the Beatles without having to go through Brian and he controlled every facet of their professional career. No press conference was run without Brian having it under his control. No statements were made, no deals were made without Brian being in complete control. It was a one-man operation.

from In My Life: The Brian Epstein Story by Debbie Geller

[Perplexed]

A one-man operation, huh?

Which is why the Beatles go 4 seperate ways in Sept '66, and Mal Evans appears and is Paul's constant companion (trainer/watcher/bodyguard) and we see Brian (Frian) a mere handful of times---breifly, until he does himself in allegedly because all the millions he made wasn't enough, and he was so bummed about using pills and pharmaceuticals that he thought the only way out was to OD even though people like Lennon opnely admit, about himself, he could hardly survive a single DAY without some kinda drug, and wasn't ashamed of it in the least.......

Oh, Brian had more conscience, I see.

Oh, you meant Frian..

OK I was all facetious.

OF course no one knows what really went down; but I think he was gone long before Aug '67. Maybe a train/plane accident; maybe an accidental OD, maybe he ran afowl of some underworld
kind of folks in the record biz......

But, IMO, not an intentional suicide.

But, odd, that it seems Paul, Brian, Tara, and Sylvie have something dramatic happen to them in a cluster; in a short span of time. Were they all together?

What was Tara's relationship to the Beatle's? Paul's friend? John's friend? A general hanger on? Or, was he dating someone associated with the group....the unthinkable--was he dating a member of the group?

Really out on the limb with that one. I've not wanted to go to that kind of innuendo---but something lingering......

[Truthseeker]

Or maybe he was dating William Shepherd, eh ? Now maybe Billy boy said something to Tara that he regretted afterwards. Hence the necessity of Tara's removal ?!

[sistermaryabbey]

Remember in "Glass Onion" John says, "Here's another clue for you all, the walrus was Paul". This is when John really was trying to get people to listen to him.."listen me"...and getting clues out right and left. Faul talks about being the only one "big enought" to fit into the walrus suit.......mmmmmm....but Beatle-wise George, John and Paul were always described as being 5'11". Of course, this is malarkey as Paul was really only 5'8" and wore lifts to appear taller.

Yes, the Walrus was Faul

[McCartneyIII]

About the walrus

In the only places where the walrus is a death symbol is on the PIDers pages and mind (if they got). mind, yes, pages got a lot

ANIMALS, BIRDS, INSECTS AND REPTILES AND THEIR MEANINGS
WALRUS - denotes spiritual righteousness

TOTEM/POWER ANIMALS
Walrus: Trickster, solitude, appreciates individuality and creativity, can be disrespectful of others


TUSKS
Walrus tusks are found on both the male and the female where they grow continually throughout their life. The tusks are used as a symbol of age, sex, and social status

ALASKA
The Walrus represents Life, Health, and Prosperity to those who respect the animal.

I'm colect all this notes from the web, you're know more english tham me.

The Walrus and the Carpenter
by Lewis Carroll

The sun was shining on the sea,
Shining with all his might:
He did his very best to make
The billows smooth and bright--
And this was odd, because it was
The middle of the night.


The moon was shining sulkily,
Because she thought the sun
Had got no business to be there
After the day was done--
"It's very rude of him," she said,
"To come and spoil the fun!"


The sea was wet as wet could be,
The sands were dry as dry.
You could not see a cloud, because
No cloud was in the sky:
No birds were flying over head--
There were no birds to fly.


The Walrus and the Carpenter
Were walking close at hand;
They wept like anything to see
Such quantities of sand:
"If this were only cleared away,"
They said, "it WOULD be grand!"


"If seven maids with seven mops
Swept it for half a year,
Do you suppose," the Walrus said,
"That they could get it clear?"
"I doubt it," said the Carpenter,
And shed a bitter tear.


"O Oysters, come and walk with us!"
The Walrus did beseech.
"A pleasant walk, a pleasant talk,
Along the briny beach:
We cannot do with more than four,
To give a hand to each."


The eldest Oyster looked at him.
But never a word he said:
The eldest Oyster winked his eye,
And shook his heavy head--
Meaning to say he did not choose
To leave the oyster-bed.


But four young oysters hurried up,
All eager for the treat:
Their coats were brushed, their faces washed,
Their shoes were clean and neat--
And this was odd, because, you know,
They hadn't any feet.


Four other Oysters followed them,
And yet another four;
And thick and fast they came at last,
And more, and more, and more--
All hopping through the frothy waves,
And scrambling to the shore.


The Walrus and the Carpenter
Walked on a mile or so,
And then they rested on a rock
Conveniently low:
And all the little Oysters stood
And waited in a row.


"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."


"But wait a bit," the Oysters cried,
"Before we have our chat;
For some of us are out of breath,
And all of us are fat!"
"No hurry!" said the Carpenter.
They thanked him much for that.


"A loaf of bread," the Walrus said,
"Is what we chiefly need:
Pepper and vinegar besides
Are very good indeed--
Now if you're ready Oysters dear,
We can begin to feed."


"But not on us!" the Oysters cried,
Turning a little blue,
"After such kindness, that would be
A dismal thing to do!"
"The night is fine," the Walrus said
"Do you admire the view?


"It was so kind of you to come!
And you are very nice!"
The Carpenter said nothing but
"Cut us another slice:
I wish you were not quite so deaf--
I've had to ask you twice!"


"It seems a shame," the Walrus said,
"To play them such a trick,
After we've brought them out so far,
And made them trot so quick!"
The Carpenter said nothing but
"The butter's spread too thick!"


"I weep for you," the Walrus said.
"I deeply sympathize."
With sobs and tears he sorted out
Those of the largest size.
Holding his pocket handkerchief
Before his streaming eyes.


"O Oysters," said the Carpenter.
"You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?"
But answer came there none--
And that was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one.

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'The Walrus and the Carpenter' poem: what's the metaphorical meaning?
Oh, but there is - it colorfully details the sham that is organized religion. The Walrus - with his girth and good-nature - obviously refers to either the Buddha, or - with his tusks - the lovable Hindu elephant god, Lord Ganesha. This takes care of the Eastern religions. The Carpenter is an obvious reference to Jesus Christ, who was purportedly raised the son of a carpenter. He represents the Western religions. And in the poem. what do they do? They dupe all the oysters into followmg them. Then. when the oysters collective guard is down. the Walrus and the Carpenter shuck and devour the helpless creatures, en masse. I don't know what that says to you, but to me it says that following faiths based on these mythological figures insures the destruction of one's inner-being.
Organized religion destroys who we are or who we can be by inhibiting our actions and decisions out of fear of an intangible parent-figure who shakes a finger at us from thousands of years ago and says "No, no!"

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"...Expert, texpert
choking smokers
Dont you think the joker laughs at you..."
"...I am the walrus-- goo goo g'joob."


I told you about the walrus and me, man
You know that we're as close as can be, man
Well here's another clue for you all
The walrus is Paul


"I was the Walrus but now I'm John"
John Lennon, 'God'(1970)

In a 1970 interview Lennon explained what inspired his song:

"We saw the movie in L.A. and the Walrus was a big capitalist that ate all the bleeping oysters. I always had the image of the Walrus in the garden and I loved it, and so I didn't ever check what the Walrus was. He's a bleeping bast**d-that's what he turns out to be. But the way it's written, everybody presumes that means something. I mean even I did. We all just presumed that because I said 'I Am The Walrus' that it means 'I Am God' or something. It's just poetry, but it became symbolic of me."
Four years later in another interview he talks about the song again:

"I Am The Walrus is also one of my favorite tracks-because I did it, of course, but also because it is one of those that has enough little bitties going to keep you interested even a hundred years later."
Paul McCartney adds how they perpetuated a growing phenomenon among their fans:

"John wrote the tune 'Glass Onion' (1968), I mean he wrote it mainly, but I helped him on it, and when we were writing it we were thinking specifically of the whole idea of all these kind of people who write in and say 'Who is the Walrus, John? Were you the Walrus?' or 'Is Paul the Walrus?' So John, I mean, he happened to have a line go 'Oh Yeah, the Walrus was Paul' and we had a great giggle to say yeah let's do that. Let's put this line in 'cause everybody's gonna read into it and go crackers cause they all thought John was the Walrus."
By 1980 Lennon describes in more details what he was thinking when he composed it:

"It's from The Walrus and the Carpenter, Alice In Wonderland. To me, it was a beautiful poem. It never dawned on me that Lewis Carroll was commenting on the capitalist system. I never went into that bit about what it really meant, like people are doing with The Beatles' work. Later I went back and looked at it and realised that the Walrus was the bad guy in the story, and the Carpenter was the good guy, I thought, 'Oh bleep, I've picked the wrong guy.' But that wouldn't have been the same, would it? I am the Carpenter...'
I was just having a laugh because there had been so much gobblegook about 'Pepper', play it backwards and you stand on your head and all that..... That was me just doing a throwaway. I threw in the line 'the Walrus was Paul'-just to confuse everybody a bit more. It could have been 'the Fox Terrier was Paul'. It's just a piece of poetry......

At that time I was still in my love cloud with Yoko. I thought, Well, I'll just say something nice to Paul, that it's all right and you did a good job over these years, holding us together. He was trying to organise the group and all that, so I wanted to say something to him. I thought , 'Well, he can have it, I've got Yoko. And thank you, you can have the credit.' The line was put in partly because I was feeling guilty because I was with Yoko and I was leaving Paul. It's a very perverse way of saying to Paul, 'Here, have this crumb, this illusion, this stroke-because I'm leaving."

[unrepentant]

lennon was delusional....a coping mechanism?

as for the inspiration for I AM THE WALRUS" i've always liked the explanation that lennon heard a policeman make a wisecrack about paul's corpse when they all arrived at the death scene, about how his chewed-up face looked like a walrus. furiously shoving the policeman, john shouted something to the effect of "i am the walrus, mess with ME! I AM THE WALRUS!!" because it was all too much for him.

as described it's a very...human moment that i can actually see happening.

[lovelyrita]

John was a very intelligent man
He was very creative
He was using alot of hallucinogenic drugs
He was married to Yoko

God only knows what was in that man's mind after all of the trauma of the Paul tragedy combined with the above-mentioned things.
It could be a combination of hidden clues, and just a twisted sense of coping, and just adding diddly doo just to keep people thinking and talking about it.
Well, he's done a fine job of it, how many message boards have we?

[unrepentant]

among many other things, john probably had the death face of paul on his mind, as he probably identified the corpse that day....."stupid bloody tuesday".

i have never played that tune backwards but it's supposed to say "paul is dead" somewhere near the end.

ever wonder what would have happened if it were JOHN who died in '66 and they opted for the same replacement strategy? about what the songs and clues would have been, or would JPM and company even have bothered to make waves that way? strangely i don't think lennon could have been replaced.

secret history is a tantalizing thing.

[ForNoone]

John was the Walrus.

[Athenais]

I told you about strawberry fields
You know the place where nothing is real
Well here's another place you can go
Where everything flows
Looking through the bent backed tulips
To see how the other half live
Looking through a glass onion

I told you about the walrus and me, man
You know that we're as close as can be, man
Well here's another clue for you all
The walrus is Paul
Standing on the cast iron shore, yeah
Lady Madonna trying to make ends meet, yeah
Looking through a glass onion
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah
Looking through a glass onion

I told you about the fool on the hill
I tell you man he's living there still
Well here's another place you can be
Listen to me
Fixing a hole in the ocean
Tryin' to make a dovetail joint
Looking through a glass onion

[lovelyrita]

I thought the image of Paul's face when they saw the remains were the resemblance to a walrus.

I would imagine that image was burned into the minds of John and George for the rest of their lives.

As for Ringo, if he was a plant for the "system" then it wouldn't have phazed him. But I do find it curious that Ringo was the one who was called and not John first....

As for Billy Sheppard, the name Pepperpots come to my mind of something said on a program about Monty Python. Terry Jones had said that when they dressed up as middle aged women, they called themselves "Pepperpots"...now was Billy's Band a group of drag queens? Did they enjoying dressing up like middle aged women? Just a thought to throw out there for you folks.

I can't imagine JPM in drag, but Faul...yes, I could. We see some of his "Feminine side" in the pics with Elton, and some of his 70's look seemed feminine, esp some of the clothes.