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Post by Athenais on Jan 22, 2005 20:29:38 GMT -5
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Post by Athenais on Jan 22, 2005 21:28:25 GMT -5
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Post by Athenais on Jan 22, 2005 22:33:09 GMT -5
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Post by Athenais on Jan 25, 2005 17:21:38 GMT -5
Aug 9, 1967: Joe Orton was murdered by his lover Kennith Halliwell, who then committed suicide.
Orton's head was beaten NINE times with a hammer.
Halliwell overdosed on 22 Nembutal tablets washed down with grapefruit juice.
On the same day two years later Sharon Tate was murdered...
Joan was quizzical, studied pataphysical Science in the home Late nights all alone with her a test tube Oh, oh, oh, oh Maxwell Edison, majoring in medicine Calls her on the phone "Can I take you out to the pictures Jo-o-o-oan?" But as she's getting ready to go A knock comes on the door
Bang! Bang! Maxwell's silver hammer came down upon her head Clang! Clang! Maxwell's silver hammer made sure that she was dead
Back in school again Maxwell plays the fool again Teacher gets annoyed Wishing to avoid and unpleasant scene-e-e-ene She tells Max to stay when the class has gone away So he waits behind Writing fifty times "I must not be so-o-o-o But when she turns her back on the boy He creeps up from behind
Bang! Bang! Maxwell's silver hammer came down upon her head Clang! Clang! Maxwell's silver hammer made sure that she was dead
P.C. thirty one said "we've caught a dirty one" Maxwell stands alone Painting testimonial pictures, oh, oh, oh, oh Rose and Valerie screaming from the gallery Say he must go free The judge does not agree, and he tells them so-o-o-o But, as the words are leaving his lips A noise comes form behind
Bang! Bang! Maxwell's silver hammer came down upon her head Clang! Clang! Maxwell's silver hammer made sure that he was dead Silver hammer man
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Post by Athenais on Jan 25, 2005 17:56:07 GMT -5
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Post by Athenais on Jan 25, 2005 22:57:40 GMT -5
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Post by Athenais on Jan 26, 2005 16:14:09 GMT -5
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Post by Athenais on Feb 13, 2005 12:48:50 GMT -5
...McCartney was a fan of Orton's work, and had invested a thousand pounds in one of Orton's plays, "Loot."
"Loot" was produced before Paul's death...
So it was Paul who was a fan of Joe Orton...not Faul... A big enough fan to invest in a play that had already failed on its first production?
So was it Paul's idea to have Joe write a script for the Beatles? What about Joe's comment: Paul McCartney said do whatever you like.
Contrast that with Faul's statement: The reason why we didn't do Up Against It wasn't because it was too far out or anything. We weren't gay and really that was all there was to it. Now, it wasn't that we were anti-gay -- just that we, The Beatles, weren't gay.
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Post by Athenais on Feb 13, 2005 14:08:04 GMT -5
Another passage from those programme notes of June 1967:
Remember - Orton said: The fact that Brian Epstein says it isn't suitable doesn't worry me, I'll do it an sell it to someone who will...Oscar Lewenstein thought it was the best thing I'd written and he has every intention of doing it.
So Orton planned to do the film with or without the Beatles?
Orton began writing the script in January 1967. He turned it in to Epstein (Frian) in late February. In April it was sent back with no explanation given for the rejection.
Faul and Frian met with Orton sometime after Jan. 16 - but when? Probably they tried to avoid having any meeting, but Orton wanted to know why his script was turned down cold.
Orton then rewrote the script to have only 3 male leads instead of 4.
It has been said that Joe Orton saw through everything and everyone and refused to play society's games. He said what he thought and wrote what he thought without censoring himself. A free spirit...
With his sharp perceptions and unapologetic sense of humor Orton probably wrote a script that exposed too much about the Beatles.
Is that why Epstein's chauffeur was sent to pick up Orton to discuss the script again in August...finding Orton murdered?
And is that why Epstein (Frian) was also found dead just a few weeks later?
No one thought it was strange that the same people should be connected to 3 homosexual murder/suicides in the same month??!
And almost 40 years later there is still no comment about this. Incredible...
"A Day in the Life" was played at Orton's funeral. It was his favorite song.
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Post by Athenais on Feb 13, 2005 15:03:05 GMT -5
Joan was quizzical, studied pataphysical Science in the home Late nights all alone with her a test tube Oh, oh, oh, oh
"Joan" is Joe Orton, curious about what happened to the Beatles.
Pataphysics is a parody or satire of rational science. A "science of imaginary solutions".
Maxwell Edison, majoring in medicine Calls her on the phone "Can I take you out to the pictures Jo-o-o-oan?" But as she's getting ready to go A knock comes on the door
Asking Joe to write a film script for the Beatles: Can I take you out to the pictures?
Who is Maxwell Edison? Not Keith Halliwell...though the name has a similar sound. Saying yes, that verse is about Joe (Joan) and his lover Halliwell (Maxwell), but avoiding saying directly that there was "another" killer.
Who was knocking on Joe's door? Not Keith...
Maxwell Edison majoring in medicine - a major? Using drugs to kill Halliwell...
Bang! Bang! Maxwell's silver hammer came down upon her head Clang! Clang! Maxwell's silver hammer made sure that she was dead
And Joe is killed by a hammer to make sure he didn't go out with his story.
Keith Halliwell did NOT kill Joe Orton. Both were murdered by "Maxwell Edison" - who continues killing in two more verses...
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Post by totalinfo on Feb 13, 2005 19:21:38 GMT -5
I've read that Maxwell' silver hammer is the instrument used by the Vatican to test the reflexes of a dead Pope to make sure he's dead.
Hence, perhaps in this song it can be taken as an instrument of the Illuminati types -- reigning down death on those who threaten them.
If you identified the first victim; who are the two others?
Pataphysics is supposedly the science of alcohol consumption. Did Joe Orton drink at home a lot?
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Post by Athenais on Feb 13, 2005 19:51:59 GMT -5
Pataphysics is supposedly the science of alcohol consumption. Where did you hear of that? pa·ta·phys·ics (pä'tə-fĭz'ĭks) n. (used with a sing. verb) The French absurdist concept of a philosophy or science dedicated to studying what lies beyond the realm of metaphysics, intended as a parody of the methods and theories of modern science and often expressed in nonsensical language.www.answers.com/pataphysics&r=67PATAPHYSICS The invention of late 19th Century French humorist, Alfred Jarry, which he defined as follows:
"Pataphysics, whose etymological spelling should be epi (meta) ta physika and actual orthography 'pataphysics, preceded by an apostrophe so as to avoid a simple pun (patte… physique), is the science of that which is superinduced upon metaphysics, where within or beyond the latter's limitations, extending as far beyond metaphysics as the latter extends beyond physics. Ex: an epiphenomenon being often accidental, pataphysics will be, above all, the science of the particular, despite the common opinion that the only science is that of the general."www.choronzon.com/tocmirror/tzimon/Magidict/magdic17.html
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Post by totalinfo on Feb 13, 2005 22:25:24 GMT -5
Point taken.
A bit from column A and column B:
From: stri...@sundial.net (Steve Triggs) Subject: Re: Maxwell's Silver Hammer Date: 1996/01/19 Message-ID: <4dmu7a$at8_001@news.sundial.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 135708422 references: <lgodeljrDKrMuD.Mvp@netcom.com> <4cv877$cel@news1.delphi.com> <4d0aaq$rkl@acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us> <1a7cc$10254.25d@news.hampshire.edu> <4d3dl5$8gt@menudo.uh.edu> <Pine.A32.3.91.960112113014.134279F-100000@login0.email.unc.edu> <1d7cc$12f28.177@newshub> <Pine.A32.3.91.960114130818.66913B-100000@login1.email.unc.edu> <1127cc$21c2b.128@newshub> to: world organization: Sundial Internet Services newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
> > I hate to disagree, but I've got the cd in my headphones right now, and he >does say "pataphysical"--listen to the first syllable, and you'll hear the "a" in >"pataphysical", as opposed to the "e" in "metaphysical".
Here's a footnote from Ian MacDonald's " Revolution in the Head. "
The song's allusion to 'pataphysical science,' which its composer vaguely connected with ' a Parisian drinking club ' may have been implanted in his mind by The Soft Machine's ' Pataphysical Introduction,' recorded for their second album at Olympic Studios during February-March 1969 while McCartney was there overseeing remixes of the Let It Be material. A spoof 'science of imaginary solutions,' pataphysics was invented by the French absurdist author of Ubu Roi, Alfred Jarry. A Pataphysical Society then existed in Paris and The Soft Machine's drummer, Robert Wyatt was a member.
\ \_____ \\\\\\ ..... stri...@sundial.net ( Steve Triggs )
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Post by Athenais on Feb 18, 2005 17:31:42 GMT -5
Joe Orton was killed because he found out that Paul and Brian were replaced by imposters.
It was decided after that to end Frian's role with the Beatles to avoid further problems from Brian's friends.
Orton's horrific murder would serve as an example to anyone else in that circle who thought about talking.
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Post by ForNoone on Mar 2, 2005 11:06:41 GMT -5
I'm with Athenais on this one
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Post by totalinfo on Mar 14, 2005 17:30:04 GMT -5
I was just watching an episode of "Infamous Murders" from the History Channel that I had TiVo'd for the story on the Tate murder (b/c of the Beatles connection), but the last story they featured was about Joe Orton. They hewed to the official story and pinned it on Halliwell. They did mention that Halliwell & Orton's ashes were scattered together, which is a bit odd for a supposed murderer and his murderee. The story also said it was "Brian Epstein" who asked Orton to write a screenplay for the "Fab Four." They spent less than 5.5 minutes on the story, so there wasn't much room to go in depth.
(This was run as an episode of "History's Mysteries," if you want to keep an eye out for it. THC often runs the same programming under the heading of different series titles.)
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Post by Athenais on Mar 17, 2005 20:52:44 GMT -5
Thanks for reporting on that TI. I'll try to catch that program next time it's on.
It's interesting that they featured the Tate murder and the Orton/Halliwell murder on the same program...but they probably didn't mention that those events happened on the SAME date, two years apart.
August 9...what is the significance?
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Post by ForNoone on Mar 18, 2005 15:01:38 GMT -5
Thank you both for opening my eyes to the significance of that SUPPOSED murder - suicide. I don't think it was any such thing. The more I think about how many people have died around this conspiracy, the queasier I feel
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Post by Athenais on Mar 18, 2005 18:59:27 GMT -5
This is Bryan Barrett, who was chauffeur for Brian and continued working for Frian after Brian's death: Is he the same chauffeur who found Orton and Halliwell dead? I don't know. Barrett is the one who put Brian's diaries " under the hammer" at Christie's. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/728589.stmAlso put up for auction: a letter from "Sir Paul"
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Post by Athenais on Mar 18, 2005 20:09:58 GMT -5
Pataphysics is supposedly the science of alcohol consumption. Did Joe Orton drink at home a lot? I'm still pondering the meaning of pataphysical... Joe wasn't really a drinker as far as I know. He was far more interested in indulging himself sexually... late nights all alone with her a test tube But he wasn't alone at all, he ventured to public lavatories...I mean laboratories...for his experiments He was notoriously unfaithful to Halliwell and the two were sometimes seen arguing in public. Also Keith was said to be resentful of Joe finding greater success as a writer. So there was the supposed motive for murder. They were together for many years, co-writers, devilish partners in crime and in life.
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Post by ForNoone on Mar 19, 2005 8:37:22 GMT -5
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Post by Schneider on Mar 23, 2005 13:56:37 GMT -5
Maxewell's Siver Hammer is based on a true story. It's about a guy named Maxwell Edison who killed his girlfriend, then his teacher. In court, he killed the judge. It's exactly what is says in the song. He went to jail for 31 years.
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Post by Athenais on Mar 23, 2005 17:16:48 GMT -5
Maxewell's Siver Hammer is based on a true story. It's about a guy named Maxwell Edison who killed his girlfriend, then his teacher. In court, he killed the judge. It's exactly what is says in the song. He went to jail for 31 years. Were you referring to this article: Maxwell Edison Released from PrisonIt's a spoof. It's not a true story.
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Post by Wish You Were Here on Mar 23, 2005 19:30:17 GMT -5
Maxewell's Siver Hammer is based on a true story. It's about a guy named Maxwell Edison who killed his girlfriend, then his teacher. In court, he killed the judge. It's exactly what is says in the song. He went to jail for 31 years. That's interesting.
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Post by nicolas on Jun 5, 2005 19:53:38 GMT -5
Great find! Now the picture is complete.
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Post by nicolas on Nov 21, 2005 10:38:58 GMT -5
"In reading "Up Against It", there is no surprise why it was rejected. Brian Epstein was still very much in control of the bands image and the themes in the screenplay would have shaken the image too severely. Especially with its dark humor take on adultery, cross-dressing, sexual inferences and political assassination. However, it would have made a perfect vehicle for the Rolling Stones and I'm curious why the film was never offered to them! At one point it was intended for Mick Jagger and Ian McKellen, but that plan eventually fell through."
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Mar 4, 2006 13:45:59 GMT -5
Here's a footnote from Ian MacDonald's " Revolution in the Head. " The song's allusion to 'pataphysical science,' which its composer vaguely connected with ' a Parisian drinking club ' may have been implanted in his mind by The Soft Machine's ' Pataphysical Introduction,' recorded for their second album at Olympic Studios during February-March 1969 while McCartney was there overseeing remixes of the Let It Be material. A spoof 'science of imaginary solutions,' pataphysics was invented by the French absurdist author of Ubu Roi, Alfred Jarry. A Pataphysical Society then existed in Paris and The Soft Machine's drummer, Robert Wyatt was a member. Look at the lyrics of "Pataphysical Introduction" and especially "Pataphysical Introduction II" *, as well as some of the other lyrics on the album it came from. I have a sense that a lot is being said between the lines: * "We'd like to thank you, Brian, very much... And, uh, George of course... Thank you George." calyx.club.fr/lyrics/soft/02.html
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Mar 4, 2006 13:55:54 GMT -5
He was notoriously unfaithful to Halliwell and the two were sometimes seen arguing in public. Also Keith was said to be resentful of Joe finding greater success as a writer. So there was the supposed motive for murder.... His relationship with Kenneth Halliwell is compelling, but I think has been misrepresented. For instance, Alan Bennett has Joe telling Kenneth he wants to split up just before the murder, but a number of people remarked how loyal Joe was to Ken, Joe said he would never leave him, would not "forsake" him. On a machiavellian level, Joe needed him as a critic, he was still using Kenneth’s suggestions for What the Butler Saw, (not that I think Joe stayed with him just for this). Kenneth was losing Joe in more fundamental ways, which is maybe worse, but I have a gut feeling the murder was more simplistic. This makes me think immediately of the song "Oh Darling!" on Abbey Road.
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Mar 4, 2006 14:09:18 GMT -5
Very interesting image, nicholas. It encompasses both bisexuality, and a romantic break-up that landed a Beatle in jail.
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