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Post by nicolas on Jan 30, 2005 18:30:39 GMT -5
Was "Penny Lane" sung by Denny Laine? Is that title a clue about who really sang it?   |
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Post by jojo on Jan 30, 2005 22:36:37 GMT -5
He formed the group, one album, a fairly sucessful hit, and then he leaves? Doesn't make sense.
In our ears and in our eyes. JMO, but I think often the leading sentence in an article like this can be more than the author thinking it's a clever rhyme for example.
I've listened to this song in many variations, and I stil can't figure out who sings lead. I do hear John and/or George joining in harmony at times, but why should it be so difficult to pin down?
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Post by nicolas on Jan 31, 2005 0:31:01 GMT -5
Penny Lane
Lennon/McCartney
Penny Lane there is a barber showing photographs
of every head he's had the pleasure to know
And all the people that come and go stop to say hello
On the corner is a banker with a motor car
the little children laugh at him behind his back
And the banker never wears a "mac" in the pouring rain
Very strange
Penny Lane is in my ears and in my eyes
Wet beneath the blue suburban skies
I sit and meanwhile back in
Penny Lane there is a fireman with an hourglass
And in his pocket is a portrait of the Queen
He likes to keep his fire engine clean
It's clean machine
Penny Lane is in my ears and in my eyes
Full of fish and finger pies
in summer meanwhile back
Behind the shelter in the middle of the roundabout
A pretty nurse is selling poppies from a tray
And though she feels as if she's in a play
She is anyway
Penny Lane, the barber shaves another customer
We see the banker sitting waiting for a trim
And then the fireman rushes in from the pouring rain
very strange
Penny Lane is in my ears and in my eyes
Wet beneath the blue suburban skies
I sit and meanwhile back
Penny Lane is in my ears and in my eyes
There beneath the blue suburban skies
Penny Lane
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Post by TheDZ on Jan 31, 2005 21:17:24 GMT -5
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Post by jojo on Jan 31, 2005 21:42:15 GMT -5
Sgt Denny? That is a gem!
Your link mentioned Donovan, which reminds me that it's supposed to be Paul (Faul?) who sings or whispers background vocals on "Mellow Yellow". Of course he went to India with The Beatles so.. another artist to examine.
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Post by TheDZ on Jan 31, 2005 22:24:36 GMT -5
Yeah , is that Paul Lennon or John McCartney? ;D
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Post by nicolas on Feb 1, 2005 16:17:31 GMT -5
 Denny had a nose job just like Billy. His eyes were not "compatible" so ... |
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Post by Athenais on Feb 1, 2005 17:11:22 GMT -5
Brian signed a management contract with the Moody Blues in Sept. 1965. In Oct. 1966 the group split up. Denny Laine was considered as a replacement for Paul. Someone was hoping to keep this "all in the family" -- the NEMS family. But Denny's looks weren't quite right, and he was already known as a singer for the Moody Blues. Bill was not really a ringer for Paul either but he was probably more talented as an impersonator. Bill was the "face" and Denny was the "voice". Another "two of us". Together they made a good team. Bill couldn't do it alone. He needed more time... With all that surgery and preparation it was meant to last...years...decades... Bill was just settling into his role really well by the time the Beatles broke up. Notice the author of that article: Penny Valentine A valentine is a note...a message... A message about Penny Lane. All very tongue-in-cheek... "Denny Laine is in our ears and in our eyes" "Denny Laine forever" (a reference to Strawberry Fields Forever) "He is good looking which can't be bad" (She loves you, and you know that can't be bad) (Got to be good looking cause he's so hard to see) Denny Laine is the voice on Penny Lane. |
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Post by Perplexed on Feb 1, 2005 19:17:52 GMT -5
and, "Hello, Goodbye?" and, "Fixing a Hole"?(partially)maybe?
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Post by TheDZ on Feb 1, 2005 21:41:25 GMT -5
Athenais said:
With all that surgery and preparation it was meant to last...years...decades...
That is such an important ( and overlooked ) point.... The lads were jerked around everywhich way, right from the start. The individuals responsible would put that kind of effort into this replacement project and then just walk away.....Totally Impossible . Money , Mo' Money. Nuttin but Money. It's Simple Math. The return on that investmest must be Large.
BTW Excellent Posts and Forum Athenais, et al.
DZ
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Post by wings on Feb 1, 2005 22:08:24 GMT -5
Interesting how he left the Moody Blues in October of '66. That definetely sets off an alarm in my mind that something is up here.
And then, of course, Faul brought him along in Wings a few years later...
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Post by LibertyX on Feb 1, 2005 22:18:49 GMT -5
What was the "official" reason for The Moody Blues breaking up? Anyone know?
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Post by Perplexed on Feb 2, 2005 1:24:22 GMT -5
I’M JUST A SINGER LYRICS
EDIT / RATE / PRINT
I’m just a wandering on the face of this earth
Meeting so many people
Who are trying to be free
And while I’m traveling I hear so many words
Language barriers broken
Now we’ve found the key
And if you want the wind of change
To blow about you
And you’re the only other person to know, don’t tell me
I’m just a singer in a rock and roll band.
A thousand pictures can be drawn from one word
Only who is the artist
We got to agree
A thousand miles can lead so many ways
Just to know who is driving
What a help it would be
So if you want this world of yours
To turn about you
And you can see exactly what to do
Please tell me
I’m just a singer in a rock and roll band.
How can we understand
Riots by the people for the people
Who are only destroying themselves
And when you see a frightened
Person who is frightened by the
People who are scorching this earth.
I’m just a wandering on the face of this earth
Meeting so many people
Who are trying to be free
And while I’m traveling I hear so many words
Language barriers broken
Now we’ve found the key
And if you want the wind of change
To blow about you
And you’re the only other person to know, don’t tell me
I’m just a singer in a rock and roll band.
How can we understand
Riots by the people for the people
Who are only destroying themselves
And when you see a frightened
Person who is frightened by the
People who are scorching this earth.
Music is the traveller crossing our world
Meeting so many people bridging the seas
I’m just a singer in a rock and roll band.
We’re just the singers in a rock and roll band.
I’m just a singer in a rock and roll band...
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Post by Perplexed on Feb 2, 2005 1:36:03 GMT -5
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Post by nicolas on Feb 2, 2005 11:11:37 GMT -5
www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/2214/dlain_s.htmTug of war includes collaborations from Stevie Wonder (vocals), the late Carl Perkins (vocals, guitar), Denny Laine (guitar, bass, keyboards) , Eric Stewart (guitar, from 10CC), Stanley Clarke (bass), Andy Mackay (horns, from Roxy Music), Ringo Starr (drums), Steve Gadd (drums), Dave Mattacks (drums). Billy needed a bassman again. Just like during the Beatles time.
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Post by TheDZ on Feb 6, 2005 15:36:57 GMT -5
www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/2214/dlain_s.htmTug of war includes collaborations from Stevie Wonder (vocals), the late Carl Perkins (vocals, guitar), Denny Laine (guitar, bass, keyboards) , Eric Stewart (guitar, from 10CC), Stanley Clarke (bass), Andy Mackay (horns, from Roxy Music), Ringo Starr (drums), Steve Gadd (drums), Dave Mattacks (drums). Billy needed a bassman again. Just like during the Beatles time. I had this personal little pet theory at one time that somebody was playing bass for Billy while they were on the rooftop....maybe Denny was on the floor underneath the band...thanks for pointing that out  |
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Post by nicolas on Feb 6, 2005 16:14:24 GMT -5
I had this personal little pet theory at one time that somebody was playing bass for Billy while they were on the rooftop....maybe Denny was on the floor underneath the band...thanks for pointing that out It was verified by Uberkinder: Billy didn't move his fingers on the bass like the notes we hear. He was shaking too much his body to distract people. No more "live" performance after that. No more danger for Billy. |
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Post by TheDZ on Feb 6, 2005 18:11:58 GMT -5
It was verified by Uberkinder: Billy didn't move his fingers on the bass like the notes we hear. He was shaking too much his body to distract people. No more "live" performance after that. No more danger for Billy. So much for Bill to learn in such little time.... Most excellent, you guys got the good stuff here.....  My head is spinning....  |
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Post by Ludwig on Feb 6, 2005 18:14:43 GMT -5
Hi all, I've been lurking here for some time and I'd like to add this, if it pleases y'all. When Denny Laine left the Moody Blues it was while the group was enjoying the success of their first hit "Go Now". An odd time to split doncha think? At roughly the same time their bassist Clint Warwick (nee Eccles) left to fulfill familial obligations and took up carpentry. During an interview, a couple of years prior to his death, Warwick stated he had been playing steadily since the 50's and hardly seemed the type surrender a career with a successful group. Furthermore, the wife he quit to provide for divorced him shortly after he left the Moodies leaving him wondering what it would have been like if he had stayed.  This is what I'm driving at: Faul was the face - Denny was the voice - and perhaps Clint was the axe, so to speak. He was a talented bassist and probably filled in nicely. Stresses of living a double life led him to divorce not once, but twice in his life. Faul might have called on him numerous times during his career, through Wings etc. as it has been stated elsewhere that Faul never layed down bass tracks in the presence of any other musicians or anyone other than Linda. Maybe Clint was a trusted part of the careful deception. At the time fo the interview, Warwick was in his early sixties and told the reported that he had dusted off his bass and picked it up again, and started to play as if he never stopped. "Like riding a bike" he said. Not likely after 36 years, coupled with smashed carpenters fingers and hands. He also started a now defunct website and had planned to work on an album with buddies. He died shortly after that without a word or obit. much less a published cause of death. You can fill in the rest as you see fit. www.retrosellers.com/features47.htmThat's the link to the interview. Enjoy and keep up the good work! You have all convinced me and lit a fire for sure. Thanks. |
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Post by Athenais on Feb 6, 2005 18:54:10 GMT -5
At roughly the same time their bassist Clint Warwick (nee Eccles) left to fulfill familial obligations and took up carpentry...
Maybe Clint was a trusted part of the careful deception. THANK YOU Ludwig!! |
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Post by LibertyX on Feb 7, 2005 3:43:17 GMT -5
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Post by Ludwig on Feb 7, 2005 5:55:25 GMT -5
Yes! I thought so too. His story made me sad and I just can't help but think he was a good soldier in all of this. But good soldiers are usually kicked to the curb when their time is done.  Does anyone happen to have the Moody Blues' first album handy? Might make for a good comparison. |
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Post by Athenais on Mar 18, 2005 17:23:22 GMT -5
Denny Laine is of course NOT the man living today as Paul McCartney. Though he was considered for the role and contributed the early vocals. The Moody Blues were managed by Brian Epstein. Were other artists under contract with NEMS approached for help with the deception? Maybe it was considered the first line of defense, keeping the truth within the fold. NEMS was pretty much under hostile takeover after Brian's death. Surely everyone associated with the company would notice that something had happened to Brian. However, there were some artists that Brian signed and then spent little time with personally, because he was so busy with the Beatles ( Lady Madonna). So it's possible that some simply didn't know Brian well enough to recognize that he was replaced. For those who did know - it had to be quite a shock. Paul's death was perhaps common knowledge in certain circles but Brian's was kept top secret. The ones who knew about that were in the absolute core of the apple. So if the Moody Blues at least saw that their manager had "disappeared" and was replaced...and one of their own bandmates was recruited to help with the deception surrounding the Beatles...it's fair to say that it shook them up a bit. It's also fair to say that they were still reeling from the shock a few years later. Wondering how those days passed would look from the future... |
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Post by NEMS guy on Mar 18, 2005 17:49:30 GMT -5
Denny Laine is of course NOT the man living today as Paul McCartney. Though he was considered for the role and contributed the early vocals. The Moody Blues were managed by Brian Epstein. Were other artists under contract with NEMS approached for help with the deception? Maybe it was considered the first line of defense, keeping the truth within the fold. NEMS was pretty much under hostile takeover after Brian's death. Surely everyone associated with the company would notice that something had happened to Brian.
We decided however to use him to complete the songs for the album we were working on so it could be released as quickly as possible to divert the suspicions and rumors that had begun to hound us. from: digilander.libero.it/p_truth/index.html |
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Post by ForNoone on Mar 19, 2005 8:49:47 GMT -5
Athenais & NEMS guy, good work. This thread is VERY interesting & eye-opening. Thanks to all who have contributed to it. I have always loved the Moody Blues. I'm finding on a daily basis that all the groups that I loved as a teen are the same ones involved in this mess. That has to make me wonder if I wasn't subconsciously picking up on SOMETHING. The Moody Blues, David Bowie, Harry Nilsson, The Alan Parsons Project, The Who, The Guess Who, Jethro Tull, ELO, & Yes. Those are just a few bands that I listened to as a teenager. Sadly, I stopped listening to The Beatles when I was an early teen. The music just made me feel TOO SAD. The odd thing is, I NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY   I wonder how many other people went through that |
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Post by wings on Mar 19, 2005 23:29:18 GMT -5
Athenais, I agree. I believe Denny Laine was one of the, if not the main, vocal imitator who filled in those early post-death sessions when Billy was still finding his way as Faul.
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Post by sistermaryabbey on Mar 21, 2005 1:35:29 GMT -5
I have heard that when Denny Laine wrote songs with Faul, he was told he didn't deserve credit and he should have been satisfied with the fact that he was "allowed" to work with the wonderful Sir Paul. He was treated as no more than an employee. Nothing like an inflated ego belonging to Sir Idiot Boy, er I am mean Sir Paul.
Also Jo-Jo Laine, Denny's wife, made no bones about the McCartney's being absolute pigs. Linda had bad body odor and let animals wonder in and out of the house and she thought it was unnatural to teach animals to be "house broken". The McCartney's had everyone living in derelict, pig sty conditions.
Denny Laine was very talented and no doubt wrote many songs for Bill and never received credit for them.
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Post by The Fifth Magician on Mar 21, 2005 10:06:27 GMT -5
 Mal Evans: "The first song I ever wrote that got published was 'Sgt. Pepper'. At the time, I was staying with Paul (character "Paul" = Faul) as his housekeeper. His previous housekeepers (the Kellys) had left for some reason."
Mal Evans: " I stayed with him (Faul) for four months and he had a music room at the top of his house with his multi-coloured piano and we were up there a lot of the time. We wrote 'Sgt Pepper' and also another song on the album, 'Fixing A Hole'. When the album came out, I remember it very clealry, we were driving somewhere late at night. There was Paul, Neil Aspinall and myself and the driver in the car, and Paul turned round to me and said, 'Look Mal, do you mind if we don't put your name on the songs? You'll get your royalties and all that, because Lennon and McCartney are the biggest things in our lives. We are really a hot item and we don't wnat to make it Lennon-McCartney-Evans. So, would you mind? I didn't mind, because I was so in love with the group that it didn't matter to me. I knew myself what had happened." from: " The Beatles: Off the Record" by Keith Badman So it was about Mal Evans. |
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Post by ForNoone on Mar 21, 2005 12:05:40 GMT -5
Seeing him the magician's outfit, maybe it was Poor Mal. Just add him to the LONG list of the people who have gotten "screwed" &/or killed in this conspiracy !  |
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Post by Athenais on Apr 13, 2005 17:36:54 GMT -5
The band begins at ten to six
when Mr. K performs his tricks without a sound...because Bill needed help with his vocals and music. Everything being for his benefit. Messers K. and H. assure the public
Their production will be second to none And of course Henry the Horse dances the waltz
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Does anyone happen to have the Moody Blues' first album handy? Might make for a good comparison. 
