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Post by nicolas on Feb 2, 2005 2:54:08 GMT -5
News from my family tell that Sylvie died between December 1965 and January 1966.
Miss (in) Winter
That's the reason why Paul looked so angry in "Paperback Writer" and "Rain" Video and "Eleanor Rigby" was for his beloved Sylvie.
"Fylvie operation" was like an "how to" for the Beatles.
That's the meaning of Magical Mystery Tour.
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Post by nicolas on Feb 2, 2005 9:59:55 GMT -5
Sardinia Isle silhouette and Miss Winters Sardinia ---> Pilchard
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Post by Athenais on Feb 2, 2005 15:07:53 GMT -5
Sardinia Isle silhouette and Miss Winters
Sardinia ---> Pilchard [glow=red,2,300]Amazing nicolas!!![/glow] "Our story opens in Corsica..." from The Beatles Christmas record 1966
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Post by Athenais on Feb 2, 2005 15:15:28 GMT -5
News from my family tell that Sylvie died between December 1965 and January 1966.
Miss (in) Winter
once again: Tales of Brave Ulysses Eric Clapton You thought the leaden winter would bring you down forever,But you rode upon a steamer to the violence of the sun. And the colors of the sea blind your eyes with trembling mermaids, And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses: How his naked ears were tortured by the sirens sweetly singing, For the sparkling waves are calling you to kiss their white laced lips. And you see a girl's brown body dancing through the turquoise, And her footprints make you follow where the sky loves the sea. And when your fingers find her, she drowns you in her body, Carving deep blue ripples in the tissues of your mind. The tiny purple fishes run laughing through your fingers, And you want to take her with you to the hard land of the winter. Her name is Aphrodite and she rides a crimson shell, And you know you cannot leave her for you touched the distant sands With tales of brave Ulysses; how his naked ears were tortured By the sirens sweetly singing. The tiny purple fishes run lauging through your fingers, And you want to take her with you to the hard land of the winter. from Cream's album Disraeli Gears 1966
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Post by Athenais on Feb 2, 2005 15:29:25 GMT -5
It's also the reason for this: A note on that photo session:
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Post by LibertyX on Feb 3, 2005 4:35:54 GMT -5
If Sylvie was dead by Feb 66 then...who was pregnant? And if she died in the winter, why is that photo of her lying down in the autumn leaves?
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Post by nicolas on Feb 3, 2005 6:47:34 GMT -5
Sardinia Isle silhouette and Miss Winters Sardinia ---> Pilchard Marisa Sannia is (was) a very famous singer in Italy in the mid '60. She is from Sardinia. What amazes me is that overlay where lacrymal puncta position, nostril holes position, nose sect orientation and shape, chin boundary, upper lip position and skull overall shape PERFECTLY MATCH. That is a Marisa's photo from 1965. Starting with 1966 she "changed" look. I find it absolutely amazing.
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Post by Perplexed on Feb 3, 2005 19:31:04 GMT -5
What does that mean, then? What is a lacrymal puncta?
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Post by Perplexed on Feb 3, 2005 19:52:53 GMT -5
What does that mean, then? What is a lacrymal puncta? OK< i get it, tear ducts. I should have known from "lacrimosa" and crying from the Mass......
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Post by nicolas on Feb 4, 2005 17:40:27 GMT -5
When Paul had that "moped" accident?
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Post by jojo on Feb 4, 2005 18:37:51 GMT -5
When Paul had that "moped" accident? Hmm, you may be right to use quotes, looks like perhaps it was a collision with a fist instead..
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Post by nicolas on Feb 5, 2005 10:27:47 GMT -5
Amazing! YES! Marisa Sannia (THE TRUE ORIGINAL ONE) from Sardinia became "Fylvie Miss Winter Vartan" in early 1966. She was the "Semolina pilchard" (a girl from Sardinia) climbing up the Eiffel tower (conquering France).
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Post by Athenais on Feb 5, 2005 11:37:44 GMT -5
Amazing! YES! Marisa Sannia (THE TRUE ORIGINAL ONE) from Sardinia became "Fylvie Miss Winter Vartan" in early 1966. She was the "Semolina pilchard" (a girl from Sardinia) climbing up the Eiffel tower (conquering France). INCREDIBLE!!! It's really a perfect match... The biggest news since we heard who "Faul" was!
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Post by nicolas on Feb 6, 2005 4:39:01 GMT -5
There is a daisy on the map. In Italian "daisy" is "margherita" Daisies are on "the MMT's five magicians" hats too. "Santa Margherita" is a town in Sardinia. The place where Marisa was born? "Marisa on their minds"...
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Post by Athenais on Feb 6, 2005 15:56:39 GMT -5
The hand pointing to Miss Winters is covering the bottom of that map, where Santa Margherita is located. So from that location...to being Miss Winters... Margherita = Lovely Rita Lovely 'Risa (Marisa) See the official site...covered in those daisies: www.aplmusique.com/vartan/vartan.htmFylvie is called "La Maritza" after a river in Sylvie's home country of Bulgaria. Maritza...so close to the sound of "Marisa"...
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Post by nicolas on Feb 6, 2005 16:09:42 GMT -5
The hand pointing to Miss Winters is covering the bottom of that map, where Santa Margherita is located. So from that location...to being Miss Winters... Margherita = Lovely Rita Lovely 'Risa (Marisa) See the official site...covered in those daisies: www.aplmusique.com/vartan/vartan.htmFylvie is called "La Maritza" after a river in Sylvie's home country of Bulgaria. Maritza...so close to the sound of "Marisa"... In Italian they sound the same. Incredible.
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Post by TheDZ on Feb 6, 2005 17:05:34 GMT -5
Sylvie------------------------------------Fylvie---------------------------------Marisa Sylvie is turning slightly towards us, Fylvie may be looking slightly away, and Marisa seems to be ever so slightly towards us. I've done my own fade and Marisa'a and Sylvie's nostrils and eye position match almost perfectly, nose shape is different ( although prosthetically/surgically correctable) Seems quite plausible! Fylvie's neck seems waaaayyy long though. I think a proper overlay of the above pictures might help. Nicolas? Yike's , things are flying fast and furious around here!
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Post by Athenais on Feb 6, 2005 18:38:41 GMT -5
Good thinking my friend but...be careful... That is not the original Marisa. Don't worry I posted a photo yesterday I was mistaken about. Compare these... Yes the nose tip is different but more so the cheek shape. But they have the same body type, broad-shouldered, large hands, mannish.
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Post by Athenais on Feb 6, 2005 19:35:53 GMT -5
If Sylvie was dead by Feb 66 then...who was pregnant? And if she died in the winter, why is that photo of her lying down in the autumn leaves? I was thinking about that... Leaves can still cover the ground through the winter if they are not cleared away. Probably David was not Sylvie's, and Johnny preferred to be with the mother of his child instead (Marisa?). Sylvie must have been dead by the time that pregnancy was known about.
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Post by totalinfo on Feb 6, 2005 21:13:28 GMT -5
Maybe Paul & Sylvie switched out Sylvie for a faux-Sylvie, possibly Marina, in early 1966.
Then Paul & Sylvie die in September.
Some time after that, the tranny poly-Vartan takes on the role of SYLVIE VARTAN.
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Post by TheDZ on Feb 6, 2005 21:16:52 GMT -5
Good thinking my friend but...be careful... That is not the original Marisa. Don't worry I posted a photo yesterday I was mistaken about. I checked the other thread about Marisa and have caught up. Thanks Athenais and Nicolas! So that is a picture of ......Farisa! I wonder who she actually is? You can imitate everyone you know, I told you so!
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Post by LibertyX on Feb 7, 2005 3:34:07 GMT -5
So, let's get this straight. There was Sylvie and then there were two Fylvies? The first Fylvie was Marisa (did they explain what happened to Marisa? How did Marisa fade out of public life?) and the second was a female impersonator. This is getting rediculously complicated.
The First Fylvie started the longer hair look.
How did Sylvie die? How did the first Fylvie die? Was the picture lying in the leaves about the first Fylvie's death?
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Post by Athenais on Feb 7, 2005 6:01:40 GMT -5
In all the pictures I have looked at I think there probably was (is) only one Fylvie. Marisa became Fylvie and another woman took Marisa's place. Fylvie is still referred to as "La Maritza" (Marisa). It could have been more simple if Marisa and Sylvie had only traded places, but I'm sure Sylvie would have refused doing that...
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Post by nicolas on Feb 7, 2005 16:36:21 GMT -5
I was thinking about that... Leaves can still cover the ground through the winter if they are not cleared away. Probably David was not Sylvie's, and Johnny preferred to be with the mother of his child instead (Marisa?). Sylvie must have been dead by the time that pregnancy was known about. Sylvie married Johnny Halliday because she was pregnant. But after Nicholas was born Sylvie confessed that was not his child. So the troubles for Sylvie started.
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Post by Athenais on Feb 7, 2005 18:50:06 GMT -5
Sylvie married Johnny Halliday because she was pregnant. But after Nicholas was born Sylvie confessed that was not his child. So the troubles for Sylvie started. Johnny was already "chosen" for Sylvie before all that. They were introduced at the start of her career. It is always said that Sylvie did not fall in love with him at first but as they grew to know each other better her heart changed. The truth is that Sylvie fell in love with Paul instead. When Sylvie became pregnant she had to marry Johnny. Anything else would have caused a scandal. By that time all of France was waiting to see the couple wed as their courtship had been built up so much by the press. The wedding itself was a paparazzi frenzy. Sylvie was photographed in tears and the pictures were in every magazine with stories that the marriage was a publicity stunt. Johnny was considered "the French Elvis" (he even served military duty like Elvis). Sylvie was meant to play "Marilyn" to Johnny's Elvis. Marilyn Monroe is also said to have had a child in secret... So Sylvie was sacrificed...like Marilyn...like Diana...
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Post by profile on Feb 8, 2005 7:05:56 GMT -5
The same profile?
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Post by LibertyX on Feb 8, 2005 8:28:06 GMT -5
If there was only one Fylvie, played by Marisa, then was there was in fact, no Poly-Vartan? That is, have we been wrong about a female impersonator taking Sylvie's place?
Did Marisa originally stand in for Sylvie temporarily while Sylvie has the baby but then became the permanent stand-in because she died?
And wouldn't it have been easier for Marisa to continue, or go back to being Marisa and they found someone else to replace Sylvie instead?
Early 1967 photos look a bit like a female inpoersonator to me.
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Post by totalinfo on Feb 8, 2005 9:53:43 GMT -5
Okay, what is the provenance of this photo?: I agree, those seem to be man-hands. Here's a 1973 photo of Poly-Vartan and his/her/its(?) man-hands:
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Post by Athenais on Feb 8, 2005 22:18:46 GMT -5
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Post by totalinfo on Feb 8, 2005 22:47:20 GMT -5
I see that photo, no context, and four zip files.
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