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Post by Athenais on Feb 8, 2005 23:01:25 GMT -5
I see that photo, no context, and four zip files. Sorry I don't know the context you are looking for
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Post by totalinfo on Feb 8, 2005 23:21:21 GMT -5
When was the photo taken? Where was it published?
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Post by Athenais on Feb 8, 2005 23:30:46 GMT -5
When was the photo taken? Where was it published? I said: I don't know. Contact the webmaster of that site...I'm curious too.
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Post by Perplexed on Feb 8, 2005 23:55:11 GMT -5
The same profile? IMO, no. The girl on the right: Her chin, is in FRONT of a line drawn down from her forehead, or at least, her hairline. The left girl, her forehead and chin tip in in line, up and down. Girl on left: the nose projects slightly further from the face than the other. On Left: Her nose, although seeming to be the same general shape, nostrils included, the projection is not as much. The girl on right, Sylvie, has a "forward projecting" jaw & chin, to a slight degree, and a slightly more turned up nose. Sylvie vertical height of her face in profile is shorter, rounder, lovlier. The other girl looks older, and has skin that bags slightly.
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Post by Athenais on Feb 9, 2005 0:28:27 GMT -5
The girl on right, Sylvie, has a "forward projecting" jaw & chin, to a slight degree, and a slightly more turned up nose. Sylvie vertical height of her face in profile is shorter, rounder, lovlier. Correction: Both those pictures are of "Marisa" NOT Sylvie. If you check the links of those pictures they are both titled "Sannia". There were at least TWO Marisas, and one of them looked a lot like Fylvie. Good analysis Perplexed.
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Post by Perplexed on Feb 9, 2005 1:44:56 GMT -5
....to capitalize on the fame? rather then let the name "die" to the public, as ardent purchasers of product; "re-cast" the part and keep the money ball rolling?
Why not just create new names?
Cause the public is insatiable at times?
Do you think one of the Marisa's, then, became "a", or "the", Fylvie?
Makes me wonder about Selena........she's dead, and we all know about it.......why not a Felena?
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Post by Athenais on Feb 10, 2005 17:42:29 GMT -5
In all the pictures I have looked at I think there probably was (is) only one Fylvie. I was wrong. Now I think...there were two Fylvie's. After Sylvie died...Marisa became Fylvie. Another woman took on the role of Marisa and is still "Marisa" today. In 1969-70 Fylvie/Marisa disappeared... and Poly-Vartan came on the scene (dude looks like a lady!) I was stuck about the name of "La Maritza". But if Fylvie was replaced by yet another Fylvie, what would they call him/her/it? Banana-fana-faux-Fylvie? As "Faul" was a changing of "Paul"... "La Maritza" was a changing of "Marisa".
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Post by totalinfo on Feb 11, 2005 0:19:48 GMT -5
There were two "Sylvie" car accidents:
One in April 1968, in which Sylvie's friend Mercedes was killed.
Another in February 1970, in which Johnny was involved, and the story was given that Sylvie needed extensive plastic surgery to rebuild her face.
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In 1969-70 Fylvie/Marisa disappeared... and Poly-Vartan came on the scene (dude looks like a lady!)
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But -- how does this fit timeline-wise in to Lennon's two clues about a transgender Poly-Vartan?
I Am The Walrus (recorded September 1967) Boy, you've been a naughty girl you let your knickers down
Polythene Pam (First recorded during the Esher demos in May 1968, as per the tapes Harrison released for the Anthology project) you should see Polythene Pam She's so good looking But she looks like a man
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Post by Athenais on Feb 11, 2005 15:33:41 GMT -5
But -- how does this fit timeline-wise in to Lennon's two clues about a transgender Poly-Vartan? I Am The Walrus (recorded September 1967) Boy, you've been a naughty girl you let your knickers down Polythene Pam (First recorded during the Esher demos in May 1968, as per the tapes Harrison released for the Anthology project) you should see Polythene Pam She's so good looking But she looks like a man Someone already known to the Beatles before all that? Having seen all these Sylvie/Fylvie pics, I'm starting to see it. Speculation, but I wonder if this was slipped into the home release of Help!, while it's far away, she has a "Fylvie" look to her.. There's been talk of whether Fylvie is transgendered, and it's curious that the girl in the scene below is sitting more in a "guy way" for lack of a better term.. And what about this girl, or is it a girl? These are both scenes from when they perform "Another Girl" btw, hmm..
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Post by Athenais on Feb 11, 2005 16:11:38 GMT -5
Two of them
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Post by sistermaryabbey on Feb 12, 2005 1:28:03 GMT -5
I really do not think Paul had anything to do with Sylvia. Maybe, since he was known as "The Bull", he had a fling with her, but that would be about it. I don't think she really meant anything to him. He wasn't ready to settle down with one woman....he was only 24 in 1966!
Now she might have used that dirty trick to try and get him to wed her....."I'm pregnant". But if that happened, he would just let the men in suits take care of the problem and he would be on his merry way. We have no idea how many bastards he has out there. God forbid anyone used a condom!
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Post by nicolas on Feb 12, 2005 5:38:58 GMT -5
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Post by TheDZ on Feb 12, 2005 17:04:10 GMT -5
Perhaps this is a song about Paul finding out about Fylvie(Marisa)?
I'm Looking Through You (Lennon/McCartney)
I'm looking through you, where did you go I thought I knew you, what did I know You don't look different, but you have changed I'm looking through you, you're not the same
Your lips are moving, I cannot hear( Sylvie ) Your voice is soothing, but the words aren't clear ( a clue about her voice?) You don't sound differnt, I've learned the game.( He knows about replacements) I'm looking through you, you're not the same ( Sylvie is actually Marisa )
Why, tell me why, did you not treat me right? Love has a nasty habit of disappearing overnight (when one half is dead)
You're thinking of me, the same old way You were above me, but not today The only difference is you're down there( She's in the ground, buried ) I'm looking through you, any other way
Why, tell me why, did you not treat me right? Love has a nasty habit of disappearing overnight
I'm looking through you, where did you go I thought I knew you, what did I know You don't look different, but you have changed I'm looking through you, you're not the same
Just a thought... and also musically the dissonant keyboard sound stabs......mirroring the anger Paul felt.
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Post by totalinfo on Feb 13, 2005 2:54:35 GMT -5
nope -- about doris. recorded fall 65 after the US tour. check in particular the first take's lyrics.
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Post by nicolas on Feb 13, 2005 16:29:28 GMT -5
"Character" Sylvie like spying from behind Paul. A fatal behaviour for her?
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Post by unrepentant on Feb 13, 2005 16:42:54 GMT -5
as for take one of I'M LOOKING THROUGH YOU...
what the hell is paul screaming there in the extreme end of that song?? LOL, if he's saying what i think he is only a jilted lover would say THAT.
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Post by totalinfo on Feb 13, 2005 22:36:08 GMT -5
But more to the point, in take one, those lines that imply the song is about a romantic relatinoship; those lines ain't there.
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Post by nicolas on Feb 16, 2005 17:08:58 GMT -5
Someone already known to the Beatles before all that?
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Post by jojo on Feb 17, 2005 22:12:09 GMT -5
An odd thing, and maybe she's not uh...especially "shapely" perhaps, but doesn't that bikini top strike you as a bit superfluous?? (not needed)
Oh and btw, Ringo and John are "replaced". (by each other)
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Post by Perplexed on Feb 18, 2005 2:49:32 GMT -5
and....hmmm....."Paul" is also on the wrong instrument. He is playing "the girl". That just sounded wa-a-a-y weird. Now, is George playing a right-handed violin bass in the distance? So shadowed and far. Or, is that his electric? And Ringo on a "hollow body" electric..... John is holding his sticks with a "matched" grip, the normal one for rock and roll......both hands down, instead of "parade" grip, where left hand palm is up and left stick is held differently......... www.procolharum.com/99/bj_scrap-grip.htmSo, he means that he and the drummer match.....? i dunno.....maybe he never thought about it.......
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Post by nicolas on Feb 20, 2005 18:47:36 GMT -5
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Post by nicolas on Mar 1, 2005 12:56:33 GMT -5
It's also the reason for this: A note on that photo session: The first photograph is of the Beatles, facing a woman with her back to the camera, hanging on to a string of sausages. This picture was supposed to represent the 'birth' of the Beatles, with the sausages serving as an umbilical cord.Here's the picture:
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Post by Maritza Sannia on Mar 31, 2005 6:43:08 GMT -5
INCREDIBLE!!! It's really a perfect match... The biggest news since we heard who "Faul" was! Officially Sylvie's, clearly about Maritza Sannia instead. A rare japanese copy.
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Post by Just me on Mar 31, 2005 11:19:28 GMT -5
Interesting.
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Post by nicolas on Apr 14, 2005 1:49:12 GMT -5
Maritza again in her typical posture
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Post by ForNoone on Apr 14, 2005 11:17:39 GMT -5
Definitely all the same girl
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Post by lovelyrita on May 3, 2005 12:11:58 GMT -5
For me, those that few pics of "Fylvie", they are not even close to looking like Sylvie save for blonde hair. But they didn't have to "work on" her as much as Paul, because she's not as famous as Paul was. In fact, before coming upon the 60 IF and TKIN sites, I never even knew who Sylvie Vartan was. I knew about Jane and that he had other affairs, but never heard of her. But I do dare to ask this. Compare Paul's taste in women, Sylvie and Jane to Linda and Heather of Faul's taste. Hmmm. Paul had better taste.
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Post by unrepentant on May 3, 2005 15:04:24 GMT -5
so, what picture of the truth is taking shape here? a major plot by the powers that be to rein in the burgeoning rock and pop stars and their record companies so as to subordinate them? a plot involving "accidenting" and replacing various high profile members of leading pop groups?? and worst of all, it worked??? i think the 60's were the most F'd up decade in history, with government and the "new generation" whirling around in a ghastly dance, trying to get the best of each other as the music of their generation played in the background. tragically, the powers that be WERE, ARE and always will BE smarter and stronger than the sheeple are, it's a sad fact of life i wish i were ignorant of. they sit and play with themselves while we watch the boob tube inbetween terrorist attacks. ; ; .
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Post by ForNoone on May 5, 2005 10:37:38 GMT -5
Unrepentant, that is so very true. I have been thinking about the lyrics of I'm Looking Through You. They seem to be playing round 'n round in my head. What if Paul REALLY meant what he is singing. What if that song isn't about Jane at all. What if it's ALL about the replacement of Sylvie with an imposter ? The words sure do fit that scenario If that is the case, than Paul knew well in advance of his own demise about Sylvie's death & replacement. Just FYI, this totally screws up my own scenario about what I feel went down. Still, I believe it needs to be considered
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Post by total411info on May 5, 2005 13:17:18 GMT -5
no.. "looking thru you" is about DORIS DAY -- they wrote and recorded that right after they were hanging at the DORIS DAY and learned "what it's like to be dead."
The weirdness on the Sylvie record coveres started after-- part of Operation Yellow Submarine.
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