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Post by Athenais on Dec 25, 2004 17:24:38 GMT -5
THE YEYE GIRL MARRIES THE FRENCH ELVIS The 12 of April, in Loconville (where the Vartan family were established), Johnny Hallyday AKA "the French Elvis" married "The" Yéyé girl. The wedding ceremony should have been intimate but the priest couldn't keep it a secret, so hundreds of fans and 180 paparazzi invaded Loconville to attend the event. The next day , the couple was on the cover of all the magazines. The magazine "Salut les copains" had its best sales ever. Sylvie's picture crying was spread everywhere ("Paris Match", "Jours de France"...). Some journalists still thought it was a fake marriage (what for ?), but the couple was far away, on a honeymoon in Las Palmas. Once back from Las Palmas, Johnny returned to his military duty and Sylvie started her first fan club. When Johnny came back, Sylvie and he gave a "Royal Command Performance" in front of Queen Elizabeth, and starred in a TV show... 1966 was another special year since Sylvie was pregnant. She mainly rested in Loconville and also recorded a few songs (the French version of “Sloop John B” by The beach boys). David was born on the 14th of August (almost like his mother). When she went back to work in October, Sylvie left for Turkey and asked her mother to take care of her son. BLACK IS BLACK The weeks following the birth of his son, Johnny couldn’t get used to being a father. He even said he preferred to go out with his old pals. Sylvie looked after their son alone. Things were getting worse and she filed for divorce. When he learned of it, Johnny was at a party with friends. Already shaken by tax problems and declining success, he broke down. He locked himself in the bathroom and took some pills. At the emergency room, Sylvie arrived, crying. Eventually, they reconciled. In 1967, the couple seemed to be OK. They traveled together to Brazil and decided to give concerts at l’Olympia. But they wondered if their fans would enjoy a duet. The audience was hysterical when they sang the French version of an Ike & Tina Turner song ("Fool for your love") : "Je crois qu'il me rend fou". Therefore, Sylvie remained independent and starred in another show alone, at the Olympia, in April ‘68. Unfortunately, the young woman got into a terrible car accident. Her car was hit by another one and the co-driver, her friend Mercedes, died. It took Sylvie a long time to get over this terrible accident. In December, she was back on stage in Paris and in tour. She was no longer a timid young Yéyé girl but a terrific sexy dancer, more into cabaret than rock n' roll. www.aplmusique.com/vartan/vartane.htm |
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Post by nicolas on Dec 26, 2004 3:52:07 GMT -5
Always a car accident... "they" have no imagination.
This time to justify another big plastic surgery issue on Fylvie's mandible.
But it went wrong...
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Post by Athenais on Dec 26, 2004 14:29:05 GMT -5
The trials of life On April 11th Sylvie Vartan had a serious car accident in which her passenger, a friend, died. She came out of this trauma in a seriously depressed state but, with the aid of her family, she managed to piece herself together again before her first live engagement at L’Olympia. A series of hits followed: "Comme un garçon", "l’Oiseau", "Et c’est beaucoup mieux comme ça" and "Jolie poupée". She also recorded "la Maritza", an evocative, nostalgic song about her home country, Bulgaria. She had began to build a more personal repertoire and leave yéyé behind her. In the spring of 69 she went on an African tour with Carlos, followed by an 80-date French tour. In February 70, she was in another car crash, this time with Johnny Hallyday. He came out of it unharmed but Sylvie was seriously injured. Extensive plastic surgery was necessary to re-build her face. She convalesced in New York, where she met Jojo Smith, Barbara Streisand’s dance master, who masterminded her future American-style shows. www.rfimusique.com/siteEn/biographie/biographie_6149.asp |
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Post by Athenais on Dec 26, 2004 14:35:32 GMT -5
Little Prince When David Smet, a.k.a. Hallyday was born on August 14th, 1966 in Boulogne-Billancourt near Paris, his parents were already pop personalities, even a superstar concerning his father, and had been for many years. After the highly publicised wedding of Sylvie Vartan and Johnny Hallyday in 1964, the birth of their son was an event that didn't go unnoticed. During this period, Sylvie and Johnny were constantly on tour. Moreover, Johnny came home on a in a whirlwind, from his Italian tour the day of his son's birth but left immediately to be on stage in Venice that same evening. From the day he was born, David was a little star followed by the paparazzi. If his mother had already dedicated a song to him as early as 1966 with "Ballade pour un sourire", the most memorable tribute was dated 1969 with "Le Roi David". California In 1970, his parents were involved in a very serious car accident. Sylvie had serious facial injuries and had to be treated in the United States. From that point on, Johnny and Sylvie spent many weeks in this country where they acquired a house. Sylvie was working more and more with famous choreographers there. David was finally enrolled in school there. In 1980 when Sylvie Vartan and Johnny Hallyday officially got divorced, Sylvie settled in Los Angeles for good and started on her American career. She got remarried to producer Tony Scotti in 1981 and David, who was 15 at the time and already knew the American way of life very well, became a true Californian teenager. It was shortly after this time that he formed his first group with five American friends called the Weekenders. The music bug was already well embedded in him and he never looked to do anything else. www.rfimusique.com/siteEn/biographie/biographie_6237.asp |
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Post by Athenais on Dec 26, 2004 16:13:22 GMT -5
Johnny Hallyday: his true name, Jean-Philippe Smet, born in Paris on June 15, 1943. In 1964, he makes a French tour and thereafter his military service. April 12, 1965, his marriage with Sylvie Vartan. 1966, the birth of their son David, thereafter a sinking period in the life of Johnny, depression and suicide attempt. Johnny gave some shows from Quebec, including one in 1965 in the Place of Arts of Montreal, then a few years later, with the arena of Saint-Georges de Beauce, Colisée of Three-Rivers, at the arena of Saint-Jérôme, the auditorium of Chicoutimi, Colisée de Rimouski, at the Capitole Theatre of Quebec and the center Paul Sauvé of Montreal from where the Hallyday show was interrupted by brawls and gunshot. In a Montreal newspaper an article was published saying that Johnny had been threatened with death if he came to Montreal. Indeed there was an attempt to murder Johnny Hallyday at the restaurant Harvey's at the corner of the streets Mount Royal and St. Andre. Johnny narrowly escaped a bullet which was probably intended for him. Johnny had been named honorary president of (the Popye), but Johnny did not know that they were in war against another club of motorcyclists (Devil's). www.retrojeunesse60.com/johnny.hallyday.html |
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Post by Truthseeker on Dec 26, 2004 16:56:15 GMT -5
Interesting that he would feel suicidal AFTER the birth of his som. Maybe he found out the boy wasn't his ? How long after this was Sylvie killed ?
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Post by Athenais on Dec 26, 2004 17:27:01 GMT -5
On May 8th 64, Johnny Hallyday, now on military service, was stationed with the Forty-third Infantry Regiment at Offenbourg in Germany. Military service transformed his media image. He became an almost respectable young man in the public eye. His marriage to Sylvie on April 12th 65 did nothing but enhance this. On November 18th, a civilian once more, he gave his first concert at Olympia. It was not, however, as successful as expected. At the end of the year the album "Johnny chante Hallyday" came out. His rise to fame in the first part of the decade had been meteoric. Yet, once "Yéyé" had been and gone, Hallyday felt himself abandoned. A whole section of the public that had moved on to explore other musical styles and artists like Bob Dylan and the Beatles. He was even made fun of by the "agitator", Antoine, who joked about "putting Johnny in a circus cage" in his "Elucubrations". Johnny riposted by bringing out the single, "Cheveux longs, idées courtes". On September 10th, genuinely depressed, he tried to commit suicide. A little later he brought out "Noir c'est noir", a reflection on the depressed state he had been in. One happy event must have comforted him, however: the birth of his son David on August 14th. The next decade opened with a traumatic event. In February, he and his wife were in a car crash which resulted in Sylvie undergoing a serious operation. Johnny, however, recovered in time to give a special concert at the Golf Drouot for his fan club members. A month later, he brought out the single "Jésus Christ (est un hippie)", written by the novelist and journalist, Philippe Labro. After ten years in the business, Johnny was as ready as ever to profit from the latest musical craze. As a result, however, these songs are now too dated. Soap opera The beginning of the next decade saw the release of the album "A partir de maintenant", in which Hallyday did a cover version of Balavoine's "Je ne suis pas un héros" and Polnareff's "La poupée qui fait non". As he had done almost yearly, he did a summer tour in France, and on August 14th he collapsed on stage. Despite his rapid recovery, rumours circulated: in January 81, whilst on holiday at Richard Antony's house in California, he read in the papers that he was dead. His life had become an inexhaustible source of gossip in the press. His divorce with Sylvie, announced on November 5th 1980, was widely covered in the media. For fifteen years, the whole of France had followed the couple's tumultuous marriage like a soap opera. The unrivalled star of French rock, Hallyday was awarded the medal of knight of the Legion d'Honneur by President Chirac in January 97. www.rfimusique.com/siteEn/biographie/biographie_6309.asp |
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Post by Athenais on Dec 26, 2004 17:42:13 GMT -5
Interesting that he would feel suicidal AFTER the birth of his som. Maybe he found out the boy wasn't his ? How long after this was Sylvie killed ? The above quote gives SEPTEMBER 10 1966 as the date of the suicide attempt. But that particular bio says the reverse about his motivations. It implies that Johnny was depressed about his career and David's birth was a comfort to him. David is surely Johnny's real child, he looks just like him. But there was an older child, never mentioned in the biographies. This photo is dated 1966.  |
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Post by LibertyX on Dec 27, 2004 1:57:30 GMT -5
Johnny was either depressed because he had discovered that the child wasn't his and that he was not really Sylvie's true love, or because Sylvie was dead, or probably both.
Did Johnny actually kill her in a fit of anger (in the woods)?
And did Paul come back soon after his US tour to visit her only to discover her dead? Is this why he was found wandering around in shock?
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Post by Athenais on Feb 20, 2005 14:31:48 GMT -5
...did Paul come back soon after his US tour to visit her only to discover her dead? Is this why he was found wandering around in shock? If Sylvie was dead months before that...why did Paul go to France? Probably Nicholas was left in the care of Sylvie's family and/or Johnny Hallyday. So when Paul was alerted that there was trouble with them he went to France to retrieve his son. What really happened to Johnny Hallyday on Sept. 10? I doubt the story about a suicide attempt is true. Something to think about: no one was concerned that Johnny's fans might imitate his behavior? But Paul's death had to be hidden to prevent fan suicides...right! Stories were told to hide the truth - ONLY to suit the needs of the power behind all that. NOT for concern about the mental health of fans. |
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Post by totalinfo on Feb 20, 2005 17:35:35 GMT -5
If Sylvie was dead months before that...why did Paul go to France? The presence of a faux Sylvie before September 1966 does not necessitate a dead Sylvie before Sept. 1966... |
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Post by darkhorse on Feb 20, 2005 18:41:58 GMT -5
The presence of a faux Sylvie before September 1966 does not necessitate a dead Sylvie before Sept. 1966... If that presumption is true, what do you suppose happened to her? |
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Post by nicolas on Feb 20, 2005 18:43:17 GMT -5
Sylvie stopped to be an actress starting with 1966.
Why?
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Post by totalinfo on Feb 21, 2005 0:01:38 GMT -5
WQhat happened to her? Maybe nothing.
Harrison seems to have survived Keith Richards replacing him in the butcher shoot just fine.
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Post by Perplexed on Feb 21, 2005 1:21:37 GMT -5
Something to think about: no one was concerned that Johnny's fans might imitate his behavior? But Paul's death had to be hidden to prevent fan suicides...right! Stories were told to hide the truth - ONLY to suit the needs of the power behind all that. NOT for concern about the mental health of fans. How disappointing. So, the people at the top are all selfish b*st*rds out for all they can get and to h*ll with the zillions of little people they scr*w over? My optimism is crumbling tonight. It's all a load of crap done by people full of crap for crappy reason. Sons-a'-b*tch*s, b*st*rds, sheister con-men brigands. The whole stinkin' world. I am in a snit tonight. |
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Post by LibertyX on Feb 21, 2005 3:47:29 GMT -5
So when Paul was alerted that there was trouble with them he went to France to retrieve his son.
In light of how little Paul cared about Phillip and who knows how many other bastard children, why should he suddenly decide to care about this one?
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Post by Athenais on Feb 21, 2005 17:58:09 GMT -5
In light of how little Paul cared about Phillip and who knows how many other bastard children, why should he suddenly decide to care about this one? I had the SAME question. Maybe Paul was kidnapped because someone wanted to teach him a lesson about that. Paul HAD to care in that situation. Either because his child's life was in danger (or his own life) and/or because the child's mother was dead. Nicholas was left in a very strange situation...if an imposter took on the identity of his mother, who was his legal guardian. Probably Paul was in France to deal with that. Remember David was born just weeks earlier. Johnny and Fylvie would leave David in the care of Sylvie's mother while they were busy working. So Nicholas was probably left there too in the months before that while Paul was away on tour. Possibly there was a plan to prevent David and Nicholas from knowing about each other by alternating visits and eventually giving custody of Nicholas to another family. The existence of Nicholas was a threat to the plan of having Sylvie replaced - and vice versa. Paul couldn't leave his son in "double" jeopardy. |
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Post by totalinfo on Feb 27, 2005 2:55:01 GMT -5
Back of a 1967 SYLVIE EP -- three "Sylvies" pictured.  |
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Post by darkhorse on Mar 22, 2005 13:17:42 GMT -5
Back of a 1967 SYLVIE EP -- three "Sylvies" pictured. Oh.  Taking a chapter from the Beatles book on clue-planting. Good find. |
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Post by ForNoone on Mar 23, 2005 12:20:12 GMT -5
The whole thing stinks to high-heaven. I don't know what Nicholas had to do with Paul being in France. All I know is that he WAS there. I have my own theory. I believe that Paul went to France to see Sylvie. I think that they had an open relationship. They enjoyed each other's company, but were betrothed to others. Probably on the sneak, you know. I'm not convinced that Nicholas was Paul's child. I find it hard basing his existence as Paul's son on one photograph. However, that's neither here nor there. I believe that Paul went to see Sylvie. Maybe they had set it up weeks ahead of time. Who the hell knows how they set up meeting with each other ? When he got there, he was greeted by Fylvie. I would guess that she had been told about Paul. Even still, he wasn't a moron. He KNEW she was a different person. Add this to what he was told by Terry Melcher concerning his mom ( Doris Day - thanks to T.I. for that bit ). Poor Paul. I think it threw him into a panic. He must've felt like he was smack in the middle of the movie, " Invasion of the Body Snatchers ". After all, he did like Sci-fi  I wouldn't be surprised if THAT was why he was wandering around France in a state of shock  The people behind it were told about Paul's reaction. He probably hemmed & hawed & got the HELL out of there. It was decided that he was now a loose cannon. It's very possible that Paul was kidnapped, killed & replaced BECAUSE of the Sylvie/Fylvie situation  I think that John sent Brian to find Paul. Paul must've called him in a state of hysteria concerning Sylvie. Brian knew the deal when he found Paul. He told Paul to just come with him. Maybe he took Paul's White Austin Healy, knowing that it was Paul's favorite car. He knew that Paul wouldn't want HIM driving it, so at least he would get in the car with him  Who knows what happened after that  All I do know is that it ended in a car crash with Brian dead & Paul kidnapped, taken WHO KNOWS WHERE, & killed |
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Post by Athenais on Mar 23, 2005 19:51:38 GMT -5
The whole thing stinks to high-heaven. I don't know what Nicholas had to do with Paul being in France. All I know is that he WAS there... I'm not convinced that Nicholas was Paul's child. I find it hard basing his existence as Paul's son on one photograph. The idea that Paul had a child named Nicholas (or some variation of that name) is based primarily on the character of Little Nicola from the Magical Mystery Tour.  from digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/little_nicola.htmlIf the dwarf is seen to represent Paul...it's reasonable to think that the child at least represents someone connected to Paul, if not his own child. So the idea was NOT based solely on one photograph. This child has never been officially identified... But he does remind me of Little Nicola from MMT. Filming for the Magical Mystery Tour began on SEPTEMBER 11 1967. It is surely an allegory about the events that began one year earlier...including Paul's trip to France and meeting with Fylvie. Paul most likely knew that Sylvie was dead before he made that trip. Eleanor Rigby, died in the church
and was buried along with her name
Nobody came
Father McKenzie, wiping the dirt
from his hands as he walks from the grave
No one was savedThose words seem full of regret for someone who died "unknown". Father McKenzie was originally written as Father McCartney). He couldn't do anything to save her. All he could do was walk away. But if he was indeed a father...there was still a child to consider. I agree that Brian went to find Paul in France. I am not sure that John actually had to tell him to go (unless Brian was having trouble tearing himself away from John's side at the moment). According to Neil Aspinall, they all met in Paris for the weekend, with Paul and Brian were due back in London in time for Brian's birthday. From there everything gets hazy. It's quite possible they had a car accident on the way back. It's also possible that Paul was kidnapped more than once in that month...first on Sept. 11, released a few days later as the "fool on the hill" with no passports...and taken hostage again when he tried to return home with Brian. I would like to know more about that white Austin Healy... |
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Post by LibertyX on Mar 24, 2005 1:39:40 GMT -5
This may not have any real bearing on the matter but I happened to be watching a doco about Briget Bardot. In about 1959/1960 she had a child called Nichola but I don't think she could handle looking after him/her. I don't know whether she gave him/her away or what, I don't think the doco said. May not be any connection, or may be it's the French connection (;D), I don't know.
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Post by jojo on Mar 24, 2005 16:30:47 GMT -5
or may be it's the French connection (;D), I don't know. Could be.. (from the Sept 1966 edition of 16 Magazine)  |
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Post by France Mon Amour on Mar 24, 2005 16:55:08 GMT -5
  This one is from the White Album Poster |
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Post by totalinfo on Mar 24, 2005 21:55:40 GMT -5
Anyone have a better scan of that "Les Beatles" baguette sleeve? "Paul" looks very odd there.
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Post by sistermaryabbey on Mar 24, 2005 23:17:01 GMT -5
For No One, I agree with you 100%. I feel that too much emphasis is being put on some great relationship between Paul and Sylvia. I think you are right that when he found out that he was seeing Flyvia and not Slyvia, he went into a state of shock.
However, I don't really think there was a child involved. Sylvia wouldn't have wanted to have to put her career on hold to bother having a kid. And she was "hot stuff" at that time in her own country. I would bet she knew ways of avoiding pregnancy or terminating a pregnancy. I think she just wanted to have fun....as in "Girls Just Want to Have Fun". She and Paul had a fling; nothing more! He no doubt cared a little about her, but wasn't head over heels in love or anything like that. He was surprised and shocked when he realized the person he went to meet was Flyvia. Anyone would be stunned to find something like that out. But it doesn't mean he was madly in love with her. He had Jane Asher and who knows who Sylvia had.
That kid in the photo could have been anyone's kid.....nephew, cousin, friend's kid, not necessarily hers just because he was with her and Johnny Halliday. I personally have a brother several years older than i and could easily have been seen with my nieces that would look like my kids.
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Post by ForNoone on Mar 25, 2005 12:55:41 GMT -5
Athenais, you could very well be right concerning Eleanor Rigby. HMMMMMM. I have to think some more about this. There has to have been SOMETHING that would've shocked Paul so much that he was found wandering around France in a state of shock I would like very much if someone could find documentation for that white Austin Healy. |
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Post by totalinfo on Mar 31, 2005 22:23:22 GMT -5
Perhaps Paul & Sylvie decided to run off with the child and had hired Maritza to play the SYLVIE VARTAN role as more of a full-time gig. Upon hearing this, Hallyday attempted suicide.
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Post by ForNoone on Apr 1, 2005 12:40:11 GMT -5
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Post by Athenais on Apr 16, 2005 22:24:36 GMT -5
Sylvie married Johnny because pregnant.
But the kid was not Johnny's.
On 12th of September Paul had "problems" with Johnny Halliday and friends for Nicholas.
Both wounded.
Officially for Johnny was told about a suicide attempt.
Maritza Sannia alias Miss Winters was no way the mother of Nicholas.
David born 9-10 months later than Nicholas.If what you say is true nicholas, then Marisa replaced Sylvie because Sylvie was pregnant and it had to be a secret? I thought we had established that Sylvie died at about the end of 1965, probably tied in with the so-called moped incident. So she couldn't have given birth in 1966 if she was dead could she!
What happened to Marisa? Did she go back to being Marisa or did she die? Why did there have to be a second Fylvie (who was actually a man)? Sylvie married Johnny in April 1965 and was most likely about 4 months pregnant at that time. By summer she was wearing looser clothing to hide her waistline. She continued on tour through June and seems to have retreated home to Neuilly after that. It's possible that Marisa began standing in to make occasional public appearances while Sylvie was too obviously pregnant. In November (8th?) Sylvie and Johnny were in London to sing together in a "Royal Command Performance" for the Queen. By that time Sylvie was thin again and looking very unhappy. Strangely...on November 10 Marianne Faithful had a child named Nicholas with her husband John Dunbar. Was Sylvie summoned to England to give up her child? Somehow I always think of Sylvie in her blue dress as "Alice in Wonderland" making a curtsy for the Queen. Sylvie was busy again through Nov-Dec. 1965. After that...she was gone. |
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Taking a chapter from the Beatles book on clue-planting. Good find.
All I do know is that it ended in a car crash with Brian dead & Paul kidnapped, taken WHO KNOWS WHERE, & killed 
