Viv and let die

[Athenais]

Guest-FP said:

Actually, it's my fade. And:

1: In the glasses pic, his face is leaning back more, so the bottom half of the face is going to look slightly closer (because it is).

2: He's smiling in the glasses pic, so his nostrils are going to be higher.

3: My mistake, I forgot that people can't move their eyebrows.

4: The eyes look the same too me.

It's certainly not my fade.
I don't work with fades. I think a fade can be reliable...or not...depending on the intentions of the person who created it.

Those of you who are coming here to debate about animations could spend your time better somewhere else.

My curiousity is already confirmed by the reactions in this thread.

BTW...any good optician will tell you: the best fit for eyeglasses will make the eyebrows "disappear" behind the top of the frame.

[Athenais]

Revolver said:

We need to find other pictures that suit only our arguments.

"We" who?
And what arguments?

Fascinating statement.

[FP]

So Nicolas, I don't completely get it... are you saying that "Faul" looks like Vivian, so they chose him to replace him? Or are they related? Is Bill also Stephen Stills? >_> Who's who?

[Athenais]

Those of you who are new here:
This is a small, rather quiet forum, and I prefer keeping it that way. I like keeping threads condensed so they are "informational" and without a lot of chit-chat. So with that in mind I reserve the right to purge threads that become too cluttered.

It's okay to have questions or disagreements about comments made by others. But posting over and over only to disagree with or question others is unnecessary.

Those of you who are looking for a debate: it's not welcome here. Please move on.

[Athenais]

Guest-FP said:

So Nicolas, I don't completely get it... are you saying that "Faul" looks like Vivian, so they chose him to replace him? Or are they related? Is Bill also Stephen Stills? >_> Who's who?

FP, please be patient.
Have you read the forum guidelines yet?

1966.proboards40.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1105506019

You have brought up a lot of interesting points. It could be a good idea to give others a chance to digest some of the comments already made so we can all move forward understanding each other.

In other words, chill out. Rome wasn't built in a day.

[FP]

Gotcha.

[totalinfo]

I was wondering that too.

Pretty straightforward. Linda was groupie and potdealer to the rockgods, ne c'est pas? Anyone of whom could have been James Louis' father, regardless of where conception and matrimony might align themselves on the wheels of time. I.e., the VivFaul proposition is conditional on the notion that Faul is James Louis' father, which ain't necessarily so.

[Athenais]

TotalInfo said:

I was wondering that too.

I.e., the VivFaul proposition is conditional on the notion that Faul is James Louis' father...

Conditional on that one factor alone? I think not.

There are photos of Vivian where he clearly looks like Faul and "viva" versa...regardless of whether James Louis is his child or instead sprung up in a cabbage patch.

But I do believe that James Louis is Bill/Faul/Viv's child and his resemblance to the 1966 photo of Vivian only brings that connection full circle.

[Athenais]

Vivian Stanshall's birth name is given as:

VICTOR ANTHONY STANSHALL

V.A.S.

He changed Victor to Vivian later...so he had two "V" names

V+V.A.S could become...

W.A.S

or William A. Shepherd



So WAS "Billy Shears" just another character played by the great impersonator Vivian Stanshall...a shepherd recruited to help tend the sheep of the world...

Or WAS there another Vivian before "Billy" played him?

What about the man with the walrus moustache pictured as the "you" (or "ewe") in that plaque...

[nicolas]

[nicolas]

What amazes me is the perfect match of the eyes and the overall cranio-facial.

Well now ALL it's clear.

Nat Jackley was suggestig Ringo the solution that was in Aunt Jessie hair:
a professional "impersonator" like him: Billy Shepherd, who was ALREADY impersonating Vivian Stanshall.

[Yug]

Is it possible that Viv was the sound of Paul McCartney and Bill was the face of Paul?

In other words, Viv was very versatile and could do many different voices but he did not really have the proper look. Perhaps the Beatles used him for the songs only and used Bill for all the marketing and had him re-done as it were to more closely resemble Paul.

Could this be a possibility?

[ForNoone]

At this point, anything is possible

[nicolas]

Guest-Yug said:

Is it possible that Viv was the sound of Paul McCartney and Bill was the face of Paul?

In other words, Viv was very versatile and could do many different voices but he did not really have the proper look. Perhaps the Beatles used him for the songs only and used Bill for all the marketing and had him re-done as it were to more closely resemble Paul.

Could this be a possibility?

The answer is in my previous post

[Yug]

So what we have here is Faul masquerading as Vivian during this time period when Bonzo Dog Band was very popular in England? He could do this because he somewhat resembled Viv and he did this just before he started masquerading as Paul permanently?

[totalinfo]

First, I should probably mention that it seems just as likely Linda cuckolded Faul with Stanshall as Stills.

To other matters at hand:



Where exactly is this picture from? It is certainly suggestive of walrus imagery.

The question that needs to be explored in light of the ideas here are -- if the person who played "Viv Stanshall" from 1962-1966 started playing Paul McCartney in 1966, who was playing Viv Stanshall after that? If you look at his bio at the URL below, it doesn't sound like something that Faul could have been up to on the side.

basic1.easily.co.uk/03C052/042055/Book%20reviews.htm

Another idea would be to examine whether or not Viv Stanshall was a real person in the first place. Or was he a kind of proto-Tony Clifton?

[Athenais]

TotalInfo said:

Where exactly is this picture from? It is certainly suggestive of walrus imagery.

from this page: aural-innovations.com/robertcalvert/collab/collabmain/collbonzodog.htm

[nicolas]

I've NEVER seen such a perfect match before.

I don't know how to say "thank you" FP for that suggestion!

Case CLOSED!

P.S. Please notice THE SAME scar on his left (our right) chin-cheek zone.

FANTASTIC!

[Athenais]

nicolas said:

I've NEVER seen such a perfect match before.

I don't know how to say "thank you" FP for that suggestion!

Case CLOSED!

P.S. Please notice THE SAME scar on his left (our right) chin-cheek zone.

FANTASTIC!

WOW!!!

Amazing nicolas!

So it's really the "same" person after all...just adding or subtracting makeup...incredible...

Thanks so much for the heads up FP!

[FP]

You're welcome, I guess. I just made the comparison, leaving it up to you guys to decide whether you see the same guy or not. (Although in my opinion, "Fivian" matches up better with Vivian than with Bill)

[unrepentant]

what about his "career" with the canadian provost corps?? maybe he just lied about that from day one?

i am starting to think he was more of an operative, a special agent recruited for his talent as an impersonator and fondness for role playing. maybe he was never IN the police at all, and that whole "police department" deal was a front for whatever this replacement thing was.

maybe they had planned a massive psy-op in the mid 60's and bill was the man for the job....he sure had the chutzpah to pull it off!

[lovelyrita]

I am new in here and I have been fascinated for the past few weeks with this material. I have seen recent photos of the man I had thought was Paul Mc Cartney for almost 40years and I'm quite shocked at the facial comparisons to the real Paul.
We have Paul, Faul, Billy, and Viv. I have to wonder about Viv being Faul because his face isn't as thin and long as the guy on the bus or the man we know as Faul.
Now,I dare to ask how could the guy on the bus at the beginning of MMT be Paul, was this portion filmed before all of the plastic surgery, and then edited later when filming resumed when he became Faul? It would be interesting to note that it was the very beginning of the film that it quickly zoomed into his face and you don't see this character in the rest of the picture?

[ForNoone]

Good points, all. Unrepentant, you're very right. That man does have an amazing amount of chutzpah !
Rita, it is amazing isn't it ? I'm sure that nicholas will tell you that it can all be the same man. Make up & applications, smoke & mirrors
Bill/Faul= Paul/Viv. I don't know if he was ALWAYS Viv. I have a feeling that he was sent in to replace Viv. Maybe Viv died before the psy-op was completed. Once they saw what a bang up job he did impersonating him, he was their 1st choice taking over the role of "Paul"!

[lovelyrita]

You know they could have picked Viv, Bill, Denny Laine and whoever else they thought would have been likely candidates for becoming Paul's replacement in the event one did not fully co operate, or who may not have been successful in surgery attempts. So rather than only relying on one candidate to become Paul, they made several prospects for backup... When minds are so deviate to undertake this mass deception and cover up, they would gather as many people they could who would be Paul.

It's possible that "Viv" was chosen, but things didn't work out so they followed up with Faul/Billy.

[Athenais]

unrepentant said:

i am starting to think he was more of an operative, a special agent recruited for his talent as an impersonator and fondness for role playing. maybe he was never IN the police at all, and that whole "police department" deal was a front for whatever this replacement thing was.

maybe they had planned a massive psy-op in the mid 60's and bill was the man for the job....he sure had the chutzpah to pull it off!

I think the same.

Please see: From Canadian Provost Corps to Faul Corp.

So maybe his career with the Canadian Provost Corps only started when he took the role of "Faul".

[Athenais]

It's good to remember the title of this thread:

VIV AND LET DIE

or...

LIVE AND LET DIE

So Bill is still alive.

But how many are dead...

James Paul McCartney
Brian Epstein
Sylvie Vartan
John Lennon
George Harrison
Tara Browne
Brian Jones
Eric Clapton
Joe Orton
Keith Halliwell
Mal Evans
Linda McCartney
Dalida
David Jacobs
Mercedes
Luigi Tenco
Rory Storm

and the list goes on...

[nicolas]

Yes, now everything is clear.

[totalinfo]

POSTULATES:

Viv played Billy Pepper.

There was no Bill Shepherd.

Viv played Paul in 66: at the Floyd Show and in the Penny Lane film. Viv possibly played Paul in a promo film or two before Paul died.

Faul took over the role of Paul in 67.

Faul played Viv in MMT.

James Louis' father could be anyone, given Linda's activities at the time.

[Me]

nicolas said:

I've NEVER seen such a perfect match before.

I don't know how to say "thank you" FP for that suggestion!

Case CLOSED!

P.S. Please notice THE SAME scar on his left (our right) chin-cheek zone.

FANTASTIC!

That Bill photo is so vertically distorted it's unreliable for this purpose. FP is happy, obviously, because a distorted Bill picture (one intended to make him more JPM in proportion) has been accepted in a PIA board. A simple comparison with the Spies Like Us Bill will attest to this.

In my opinon, these two people look nothing alike.

[Me]

correction: I meant to say "PID board".