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Post by lovelyrita on May 8, 2005 23:09:51 GMT -5
Has anyone placed photos of Viv next to the man at the back of the bus?(Billy)
If Faul is Viv, and Faul is the guy at the back of the bus, then the guy at the back of the bus is Viv.
( ;D Sounds like a question asked on an IQ Test)
Somewhere I saw a pic of Faul's son James next to Viv, but has anyone placed James side by side to the man at the back of the bus?
No matter what the face has been doctored to look like, the genetics cannot lie.
We have side by side with Viv and Faul, and Faul and Billy, just curious, if these are all one in the same, Billy should resemble Viv too.
Talk about the man of a thousand faces, and lives. Faul is one fractured person. When he stands before God on judgment day, what name is he going to give God? Billy, Viv or Paul?
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Post by nicolas on May 9, 2005 1:43:08 GMT -5
Has anyone placed photos of Viv next to the man at the back of the bus?(Billy) If Faul is Viv, and Faul is the guy at the back of the bus, then the guy at the back of the bus is Viv. ( ;D Sounds like a question asked on an IQ Test) Somewhere I saw a pic of Faul's son James next to Viv, but has anyone placed James side by side to the man at the back of the bus? No matter what the face has been doctored to look like, the genetics cannot lie. We have side by side with Viv and Faul, and Faul and Billy, just curious, if these are all one in the same, Billy should resemble Viv too. Talk about the man of a thousand faces, and lives. Faul is one fractured person. When he stands before God on judgment day, what name is he going to give God? Billy, Viv or Paul? This is his judgment day. The name is not important but what he has done. |
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Post by Athenais on May 9, 2005 13:08:18 GMT -5
you've nailed it don't forget we're watching at you Thank you for your support  |
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Post by Mac makeup on May 10, 2005 1:11:32 GMT -5
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Post by ForNoone on May 11, 2005 11:35:41 GMT -5
Keep watching, ASSHOLES  |
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Post by Si avle on May 11, 2005 11:49:52 GMT -5
You have me confused here!!!! If Faul is Viv and Viv is Faul how can they be in the MMT bus at the same moment???
Faul's up in the front as Paul and he's in the back as Viv or Bill or Faul?
Bill make be good but he's not that good!! He can't be in two places at the same time!
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Post by Fab4 on May 11, 2005 13:59:28 GMT -5
Well, how do you think Patty Duke pulled it off in her show ? It ran from Sept 1963 to Aug 1966. By the way, isn't it ironic her family had the last name of "Lane"? Patty Lane, Cathy Lane, etc... Penny Lane!  |
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Post by Fab4 on May 11, 2005 14:50:19 GMT -5
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Post by nicolas on May 11, 2005 15:16:40 GMT -5
You have me confused here!!!! If Faul is Viv and Viv is Faul how can they be in the MMT bus at the same moment??? Faul's up in the front as Paul and he's in the back as Viv or Bill or Faul? Bill make be good but he's not that good!! He can't be in two places at the same time! Total confusion here. When Bill performs Vivian in Magical Mystery Tour there are ONLY Ringo George and John attending at the show. There is NO Faux-Paul in that scene. |
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Post by lovelyrita on May 11, 2005 16:07:58 GMT -5
When someone has had as many surgeries as Faul has, you can see that as time passes, and the time of Paul's actual death seems like ancient history to the masses, that Faul has removed the fillers, removed the brown contacts and looks less like Paul Mc Cartney and more like Billy/Viv, in many of the pics posted.
To the inquisitive person, they look at Faul and pics of Paul Mc Cartney and wonder how Billy could be considered a likely Paul replacement. Faul does not resemble Paul, even in a picture of Paul that they age like the investigators take pictures of children to what they may look like years later. I look at these recent pictures of Faul and think to myself, "Man, this guy truly is bogus!" Comparing pics of Faul in 1967 to the Faul of the 1970's and then now...they all look like different men.
Now I pose this question, could it be that Faul of the 1960's was replaced by another Faul in the 1970's and beyond?
Perhaps the one we think of as Billy, the guy at the back of the bus as the Faul from 67-70's and the man we know as Viv be a later Faul? Or Viv as the first Faul and Billy as the later Faul? Or, could they both have received extensive facial surgeries to look like Paul and the remaining Beatles worked with both Faul's to see how each man worked out?
Now if you recall the information on the 60 IF page about the Dr. Truby who was an expert in voices? I recall that he said in the Beatles recordings he heard 6 different voices, which would be John, George, Ringo, Paul and two other Paul voices. So we have Paul's real voice, and two Fauls. Could those two "Fauls" be Billy and Viv?
The reason I posted this message, because some of the Faul pics I've seen, on other sites as well as ones posted in this forum, that the noses appear different(some more pointed than others) and there are some where the faces seem wider than others. Some of the shots of the eyes show more of a "hood" and others with more wrinkles around the eyes. As I've looked at the pics of Viv and the Billy at the back of the bus, to Faul, I'm wondering if there are two Faul's?
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Post by lovelyrita on May 12, 2005 9:51:28 GMT -5
Looking at the pictures once again of Viv and Faul from 1967, the eyes don't look at wide open as the Faul pic used from Spies Like Us shot. The face on Viv is fuller, perhaps he's the man who appears as Faul with a beard, as well as this 1967 shot. That Faul face doesn't look at long as compared to the Faul pic comparison with Billy(the guy at the back of the bus shots)
At this point, nothing would surprise me if two Fauls were appearing at the same time, much like when at DisneyLand and you see more than one Mickey Mouse.
So we have a bug-eyed longface Faul, who looks like the Billy guy at the back of the bus, and a wider faced, smaller eyed Faul who could be this Viv dude.
But the sad thing is, Faul's reverting back to his "viv" days. It's like he's tired of being Faul and wants to "go home" at least for a while.....Until Heather calls and needs some more cash....
Something more to chew on...
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Post by Sivle on May 12, 2005 18:11:32 GMT -5
With some of you on this board,I do not understand all of the mystery going on in your posed questions and your answers? Why does it all have to be laid out one little tidbit at a time? Someone gets close to an answer and we get a response like above.Then another little morsel thrown out. I don't get it!
What is the point of running any message board this way? We know that James Paul McCartney died in 1966. We know that the remaining Beatles got a replacement. They gave us clues that more and more of us are finding out about. So why not advance the discussion with all the facts known by the person posting so we can all engage in the conversation and then get on with it. This is not a clandestine CIA operation were involved with here.
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Post by Athenais on May 12, 2005 18:34:31 GMT -5
With some of you on this board,I do not understand all of the mystery going on in your posed questions and your answers? Why does it all have to be laid out one little tidbit at a time? Someone gets close to an answer and we get a response like above.Then another little morsel thrown out. I don't get it! What is the point of running any message board this way? We know that James Paul McCartney died in 1966. We know that the remaining Beatles got a replacement. They gave us clues that more and more of us are finding out about. So why not advance the discussion with all the facts known by the person posting so we can all engage in the conversation and then get on with it. This is not a clandestine CIA operation were involved with here. here. Questions about how this board is being run should preferably be directed privately to the administrator (myself), or in a separate thread so this one is not diverted off topic. The simplest answer I can give you is: I don't have enough hours in the day to lay everything out at once, and I would guess that others here have the same issue as well. |
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Post by nicolas on May 13, 2005 19:20:19 GMT -5
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Post by Pic E Oone on May 14, 2005 2:58:11 GMT -5
 I remember this one:  But, I don't remember this one, so much....  Ooops. |
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Post by lovelyrita on May 14, 2005 22:20:47 GMT -5
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are altogether See how they run like pigs from a gun see how they fly I'm crying Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come. Perhaps John had gotten so confused with so many Faul's around he fogot who was who. We've got some Faul's and the Faul with the "walrus" mustache, like Sgt. Pepper/Strawberry Fields-era, looks like the Faul of the early 70's bearded period. It would be interesting to know the original name of that man. If this one is Viv, is Viv really his original name or another alter ego? In other words, who was he before his "Viv" period? A man of a thousand voices talking perfectly loud? But nobody ever hears him, or the sound he appears to make. |
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Post by nicolas on May 15, 2005 5:20:48 GMT -5
anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.htmlBP, do you think you can like do the same thing, but with Bill? Like give us a picture, with a date, an age, and what plastic surgery he had at that point? Like the all stages of Billy? ;D  Maybe Michael was witness of this:    or this:  ..and got CRAZY about what plastic surgery and make-up CAN DO! anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.htmlBP, do you think you can like do the same thing, but with Bill? Like give us a picture, with a date, an age, and what plastic surgery he had at that point? Like the all stages of Billy? ;D     ...This one about Bill impersonating "faux-Paul" Next time about Bill impersonating "faux-Vivian Stanshall"  |
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Post by lovelyrita on May 15, 2005 15:20:29 GMT -5
Nicolas, great, thanks for putting those pics in line. I don't know how to do that myself, but I'm glad there are folks who can line the pics up next to each other. Now it's easier to see the different images side by side. This Faux Faul, the one we're most familiar with, is the Faul of the LSD b/w image as the color image of Faul that looks similar. I think those images were on another thread from this forum.
The wide-eyed Faul/Billy is the one the world has become used to thinking of Paul and as he ages, the less he looks like Paul. Even if one ages, there is still some resemblance of the old self, with the exception of Michael Jackson who looks more like Joan Rivers with black hair. But speaking with more "normal" specimens, if Paul had aged, you would still know the eyes, jawline (even with sagging jowls, or facelifted. The bone structure would still be the same, bones don't sag. ;D.
If those who still want to believe that Faul is really Paul, look at the comparison of facial shapes. How can one think this would be the same man? It cannot be.
Thanks again Nicolas. Nice work on the pics!
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Post by lovelyrita on May 16, 2005 10:48:44 GMT -5
Yes, it's me once more. Looking through this entire thread of pictures, comparing facial features as well as what people are asking, including what I had questioned before myself, I'm trying to get this entire thing straight. Okay, someone named Billy Sheppard/Shepherd, who was supposed to be Canadian, worked for the Canadian Provost Police,sang in a group called the Pepperpots, went by the name Sgt. Pepper, aka Billy Shears, imitated Paul and was pictured at the back of the bus on MMT. He had extensive plastic surgery to become the man we now recognize as "Faul", or perhaps filmed the scene where he posed as "Vivian" and then went into surgery. Then appeared as Paul/Faul throughout the rest of the picture and now functions as "Sir Paul" much to the amazement of Linda and Heather...and spawned offspring who look nothing like Paul Mc Cartney, but resembles this Vivian dude.(Linda, you've been a naughty girl.....If you look at the site called Beatle Kids and click on Mary Mc Cartney, she resembles Bill Wyman of the Rolling Stones....Certainly not Paul or Faul. But that's another topic..offspring resemblances..perhaps) Anyhow, Billy/Faul/Sir Faul who occasionally reverts to his "Vivian" days, is the man we know who has the long, thin face, big round eyes, not the droopy eyes that the REAL Paul had. Now we've come to the man we know of as Vivian Stamshell, (Is this really his name? Or is this a famous alter ego?) Anyhow, he has fun imitating others onstage and seems to be quite a colorful fellow, (perhaps having more personality than Billy/Faul) in this Bonzo Band. If he's that versatile, and I'm not familiar with any of their body of work, save the ditty in MMT which I learned isn't the real Viv at all.  . But from the pics on this thread, he seems to have alot of personality and versatility. Okay, he has been asked to sing as Paul Mc Cartney and he passes the test, has the surgery, and becomes the Faul we see(like in the above pics) with the walrus mustache, circa 1967. Which the other Billy/Faul has been making appearances like in the LSD interview...etc. So we really have two Faul's appearing on the scene about the same time. So they are testing which Faul will suit their entire scheme of things. Matches the report of the dr. who said there were three Paul voices. Paul/Viv-Faul/Billy-Faul. I've also seen, and have posted this and repeating myself, bearded Faul's who don't look the same. I tried to scan these two pics [ scanner won't cooperate with me] So, these two Fauls have been on the scene for some time posing as Paul. How long? Perhaps the mid 1970's when Wings took off and they had to tour. Thus, the Faul who was able to play instruments well enough to go on tour had to be the one who remained Faul, the one we know now. So Billy/Faul remained and Viv/Faul fading from the scene. Now one may throw this point in, the pic from the poster on the white album with Faul and a half pic of Denny Laine. Perhaps Denny is the one, referred to on the 60IF document, as the "boy who could sing like Paul, but was not compliant with plastic surgery". Denny sounded alot like Paul, but didn't want to go through the plastic surgery. We know that Denny later toured with wings, perhaps to be the Paul voice to support the later recordings, and later left the band. Which we have to recall was in the Moody Blues and left in, you guessed it, 1966. Gee, the timing of this, to be a Paul candidate. Denny out, Billy and Viv in. Then Viv out Billy still here as the new and improved...uh hemmm...Sir Faul. And talk about the many faces of Billy/Faul. If one would take all of them and place on one thread, we'd see a metamorphosis that would amaze us. And should once and for all, convince those who still hold onto the PIA theory to rest. Paul was and is no more. Denny tried but wanted nothing more to do with it Viv tried and failed and went back to being Viv for a time, or perhaps Billy/Faul stole his identity and thus the pics of Billy/Faul/Viv circa 1990's so the real Viv disappeared to neverland and Billy/Faul/Fiv/Sir Faul is here....for what it's worth. Now for those who post that "you are being watched", that may be the case, but God, whose authority is higher than "you", watches over me and takes care of me. HE's in control over EVERYTHING, and permits these strange things, even this Paul/Faul/Billy/Viv thing. For reasons I don't know why, but they have. Nuff said. |
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Post by nicolas on May 18, 2005 19:55:12 GMT -5
Hello... Goodbye Bill... I will miss you... |
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Post by lovelyrita on May 18, 2005 22:12:13 GMT -5
Nicolas, you did it! Add slightly longer and darker hair and a beard and you get that Faul with a wider face. I saw the picture on a thread of the pics that were shown leading into Faul's superbowl halftime show. There was an extreme closeup of JPM and then a closeup with a bearded Faul, but with a wider face. I wished I could scan this, but my scanner is not working  but I'm sure you'll find the picture and do an overlay over "Viv/Faul". This is getting interesting... Great job ;D |
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Post by nicolas on May 19, 2005 19:03:09 GMT -5
The Faux-Paul inside him... |
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Post by doctorrobert on May 19, 2005 20:48:38 GMT -5
My mind doesn't want to accept the Bill/Viv connection--but, the sucession of pictures has me agape. Clearly, the underlying structure and features is a perfect match. Incredible transformation.
"Life upon the WickedStage".---[Showboat]
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Post by nicolas on May 20, 2005 5:45:46 GMT -5
My mind doesn't want to accept the Bill/Viv connection--but...[Showboat]  ...not so "strange" you see... Pay attention to the pictures... and you will find that... |
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Post by Athenais on May 20, 2005 14:22:21 GMT -5
Q: "Have you ever used or trained Beatle doubles as decoys on a..."
RINGO: "No."
JOHN: "No."
PAUL: "We tried to get Brian Epstein to do it... he wouldn't do it."
Press Conference
Los Angeles August 28 1966
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Post by lovelyrita on May 20, 2005 19:26:54 GMT -5
I find it interesting that question was posed at a press conference only a matter of a couple weeks before Paul's "end". And the questions were abrupt. Hmmm. I have to wonder, if they knew Paul's death was imminent. When you are dealing with a "system" that would be deviate enough to go through all of this to kill Paul and then have him replaced with an inferior "model" as Billy is, did they show Paul his "hourglass" was running out of sand? Think about the two albums released BEFORE Paul's death, Rubber Soul and Revolver, those albums had begun to turn more sober and deeper and perhaps Paul wanted to share some deeper material with his fans before he departed? Just something I wanted to throw out there folks. I have to thank Nicolas again for the Viv/Faul overlay with the "Sgt. Pepper" mustache. It looks more like the picture I believe you had posted before on this thread, with Viv's photo wearing eyeglasses beside it. And the other post showing the Beatles and then the Bonzo Band. That British humor and the colorful costumes they wore,quite similar for sure. But I wonder how much of Viv/Faul was seen or Billy/Faul? Hmmmm. You have me wondering. Was Viv a more talented Faul and more convincing and we didn't "catch on" to the Faux Faul thing, Or did Billy/Faul bully him out of the job? Billy being more pathetic version of Faul, maybe he was jealous that Viv/Faul looked more like Paul than he did, so he pushed himself in the forefront of "Faul-dom"? Something to chew on for a bit. Something that hadn't been done, perhaps one of you guys, could place the Viv/Faul picture next to a picture of the real Paul Mc Cartney to see if his face looks more like Paul's than Billy/Faul? I love to challenge these talented picture artists who can do that overlaying stuff. ;D It helps us piece these things together. I think Viv's face would have been more "compliant" than Billy. That dude at the back of the bus, well, we just haven't seen him "perform" so we can't see if he was as colorful as Viv was.
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Post by Athenais on May 21, 2005 10:23:30 GMT -5
The Bonzos were asked to become "professional" in 1966.
A double was prepared (if needed) for each Beatle within the Bonzos.
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Post by TheDZ on May 23, 2005 15:17:23 GMT -5
The Bonzos were asked to become "professional" in 1966. A double was prepared (if needed) for each Beatle within the Bonzos.  A Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band Poster The three guys on the umm..weiner from left to right John's replacement, Ringo's replacement and George's Replacement. Behind them with pigs pulling their puppet strings is Viv/Bill(Eggman) and two other band members. Impersonators too? George's replacement has a Buffalo Bill Goatee and an american flag on him... What do you think? |
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Post by nicolas on Aug 27, 2005 11:33:19 GMT -5
I think that Bill performing McCartney was under threat as Paul was.
So the idea of maintaining the "double fantasy" identity.
When he "was" not Paul he was Vivian so no threat toward him... clever eh?
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Post by lovelyrita on Sept 3, 2005 22:20:25 GMT -5
Looking at pictures of members of this band and some of the ones of the "Pepperpots", I wouldn't know where to go about researching, but could it be that some members of the Pepperpots are part of the Bonzo Dog Band? after all, if Billy was involved with both groups, it's possible that some of the members were in both bands....
Don't know if anybody would notice the similarity in some of the band members' looks, just a curiosity.
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. But from the pics on this thread, he seems to have alot of personality and versatility. Okay, he has been asked to sing as Paul Mc Cartney and he passes the test, has the surgery, and becomes the Faul we see(like in the above pics) with the walrus mustache, circa 1967. 
but I'm sure you'll find the picture and do an overlay over "Viv/Faul".
