Viv and let die

[FP]

Guest-Me said:

That Bill photo is so vertically distorted it's unreliable for this purpose. FP is happy, obviously, because a distorted Bill picture (one intended to make him more JPM in proportion) has been accepted in a PIA board. A simple comparison with the Spies Like Us Bill will attest to this.

Distorted? How?

[TheDZ]

FP didn't squash that pic,
Bill just opens his jaw in the Spy's pic.

Hubba Bubba?
Bubblicious?
DoubleMint?

[nicolas]

Guest-Me said:

That Bill photo is so vertically distorted it's unreliable for this purpose. FP is happy, obviously, because a distorted Bill picture (one intended to make him more JPM in proportion) has been accepted in a PIA board. A simple comparison with the Spies Like Us Bill will attest to this.

In my opinon, these two people look nothing alike.

Well, for your interest, the sources of those images are the following:

For Bill as Faul:

60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=faul&action=display&thread=1104600281

For Bill as Vivian:

www.redferns.com/propxt/login.php

FP has NOTHING to do with the pictures but he gave us a really good suggestion.




And there is this one too...

[nicolas]

A very very very rare photo of the true Vivian Stanshall

[nicolas]

On 1995 Billy killed his "Vivian" character too.

Because "He Has Had Enough" of his "Double Fantasy"

Backward and foreward his make-up status...

[Me]

I never said FP distorted the picture of Bill. It's been that way since 1967. In my view it's unreliable for the purpose with which it was applied. It could probably be made to match with a picture of JPM, too. Would you consider that as evidence they're the same person?

Since I'm considered to be trolling, I won't comment any more.

Carry on.

[sneaKIN]

These comparisons are preposterous---it's almost as absurd as claiming that TV critic Jiminy Glick and stand-up comic Martin Short are one and the same person! We know what the likelihood of that is!

Although, Short has NEVER denied it, directly, that is.....

These comparisons are so totally out in left field that I am inclined to believe them.

[Athenais]

nicolas said:

On 1995 Billy killed his "Vivian" character too.

Because "He Has Had Enough" of his "Double Fantasy"



Backward and foreward his make-up status...

INCREDIBLE!!!

[nicolas]

Athenais said:

Different eyes, nose, chin, jaw bone, face width, etc, etc, etc...

Guest-FP said:

Actually, it's my fade. And:

1: In the glasses pic, his face is leaning back more, so the bottom half of the face is going to look slightly closer (because it is).

2: He's smiling in the glasses pic, so his nostrils are going to be higher.

3: My mistake, I forgot that people can't move their eyebrows.

4: The eyes look the same too me.

You are BOTH right.
Where is the problem?
The "differences" are BECAUSE between the first and the third photos there were the surgical operations that let Billy to impersonate Paul too.

In the third photo "Viv" nose is reconstructed with make-up (as it was for Bill/Faul too when he needed simulate Paul's nose tip)

Always in the third photo Bill is wearing fake glasses to "disguise" his brand new "Paul like shaped" eyes.

FP set a GIANT MILE STONE in the investigation.
Now he is in the History!

[ForNoone]

Truly amazing !

[FP]

Question:

So why do we think that "Fivian" is Faul, when he matches up better with the original Vivian than with Faul?

[nicolas]

Guest-FP said:

Question:

So why do we think that "Fivian" is Faul, when he matches up better with the original Vivian than with Faul?

FP...they are ALL the same person...there is a comparison left but the others tell for the missed one

[FP]

nicolas said:

FP...they are ALL the same person...there is a comparison left but the others tell for the missed one

Gah, this is confusing.

Bill was always Vivian? Was that his main job before replacing Paul?

[nicolas]

Guest-FP said:

Gah, this is confusing.

Bill was always Vivian? Was that his main job before replacing Paul?

Yes but now "always"



That was the true Vivian that Bill replaced into the Bonzo Dogs



But Billy continued to impersonate Vivian too until 1995.

[FP]

Wow, Billy had a lot of jobs. He was:

1) Vivian's replacement
2) A Canadian police man
3) Was was the leader of that Pepperpots band
4) Wrote articles about The Beatles in magazines.

Wow, that's one busy guy.

Now why was there a need to replace Vivian? What was there to hide about Vivian's death?

[lovelyrita]

Now someone, please explain to me what's happening here.
Are there two Vivians? Was Faul/Billy imitating Viv in MMT? And is someone saying Billy is Faul and Viv? Then if that's the case Billy/Faul is the man of a thousand faces? And is Billy/Faul brother to Viv?

I'm so confused with this Vivian thing.

I'm beginning to think that anyone who was connected to the Beatles musically/romantically/businesswise were alien pods who landed and took over the real people in this story. In other words alien pods have taken the role of Faul/Fylvie/Fivian/Frian/Fohn/Forge/Foo foo pa doo

One thing I do know for sure, there is no such person a Foko. (Don't think any alien pod, or imposter could replace that one. She's one of "them".)

[lovelyrita]

It's happening, I'm beginning to fully understand the lyrics to "I am the walrus"

I can understand the "I am he, as you are me, and you are we, and we are altogether."
There have been so many replaced and so many impersonating each other, they are beginning to become one tangled mess.

[TheDZ]

...so this was the cracking sound I heard...
Thank You Nicolas and Athenais!
Outstanding!
The Truth!

Bill is a stupendous artist.
Now we know his true medium.

Totally F*****g Amazing

[nicolas]

Guest-FP said:

Wow, Billy had a lot of jobs. He was:

1) Vivian's replacement
2) A Canadian police man
3) Was was the leader of that Pepperpots band
4) Wrote articles about The Beatles in magazines.

Wow, that's one busy guy.

Now why was there a need to replace Vivian? What was there to hide about Vivian's death?

Good points.

You know all that could be true just in different times...

1) Was was the leader of that Pepperpots band

2)Wrote articles about The Beatles in magazines.

3)Vivian's replacement

4)A Canadian police man

The Canadian Policeamn was just a military coverage for his activity.


FP wrote: Now why was there a need to replace Vivian? What was there to hide about Vivian's death?

Yes, this is the question now.

Looking at "early" pictures of Bill inside the Bonzo Dogs, he, in the first time, just replaced the role that was of Vivian or he just was "so good" to imitate Vivian so...




In the first time he had just a "resemblance" of Vivian and the "hardcore" imitation went after he had the liposculpture because he could assume different faces just changing the displacement and the quantity of the fat on his face.
All the rest, as you have showed here, is just about different make-up.

What about the destiny of the rest of the Bonzo Dogs Band?

[ForNoone]

There was a bunch of photos & info posted about Viv, on the TKIN! photo under Essentials a little earlier today.

Now I'm TOTALLY confused

I do see the resemblance in certain photos.

However, in other photos Viv's forehead looks too small.

Bill has a large forehead.

Also, Viv married a woman in 1980. They have a daughter named Silky. Viv's son Rupert is also mentioned.

If Bill was indeed impersonating Viv for a long time, then are they both HIS children. Do they resemble his other children ?

Does this make Bill a bigamist ?

This just raises more questions that have to be answered

[FP]

Nic, can you give us a date (even an eximation) on the date each of those pictures were taken?

Oh, what what about the picture of "Bill" at the piano? Can we put a date on that?

[nicolas]

ForNoone said:

There was a bunch of photos & info posted about Viv, on the TKIN! photo under Essentials a little earlier today.

Now I'm TOTALLY confused

I do see the resemblance in certain photos.

However, in other photos Viv's forehead looks too small.

Bill has a large forehead.

Also, Viv married a woman in 1980. They have a daughter named Silky. Viv's son Rupert is also mentioned.

If Bill was indeed impersonating Viv for a long time, then are they both HIS children. Do they resemble his other children ?

Does this make Bill a bigamist ?

This just raises more questions that have to be answered

I made this comparision soon after FP direction because I would check if Bill impersoned Viv until the death of the character (1995).

Here too I haven't seen such a perfect match before ... each wrinkle included.

Make-up expert told me in that photo Bill make-up to perform Viv was really of a poor quality ...

Just loooking at his left (on our right) nostril...

[FP]

nicolas said:

Another fantastic point hit by FP!
Well NOW after your excellent finding up we can date the photo on the right on early October 1966 SOON AFTER the first round of liposculpture.
As one can see the surgeons extracted the fat from his face that was to be replaced after with the injections in the "proper" places.
But the main plastic surgery round on nose and orbits bones sides had to be realized yet...

Do you think you can put all those pics of Bill in order? I'm sure I'm not the only one confused by this.

Let me try to get this straight: Bill replaced Vivian just because he looked like him? That's the only reason? And why didn't Bill just kill off Viv's character after he was told to replace Paul? He wanted to go back and forth imitating Viv one day, and Paul the next?

[totalinfo]

??

[nicolas]

... compelled to be "Paul" (for money) ... but "still" pleased to be Vivian ...

[Arms A Kimbeau]

A married man with the courage to stand arms a kimbo.

But, just try and imagine that pose in a fire engine red t-shirt in the bullfighter's ring!

El toro! Iy, Carumba!



But, bullfight's are art&entertainment, too.

Sir Paul appears to be one who likes to make it fun for everybody. And,goshkins, fun for himself, too. Doing Viv would be a performance, a tribute, a exercise of skills.

I have a friend who does Ella Fitgerald and Pearl Bailey very well.

My friend is white.

HE also does Sammy Davis, Carol Channing, Liza Minnelli,
Jerry Lewis, Steve AND Edyie Gorme (not at the exact time; but close, he uses a video monitor on stage pre-taped),
Ernest Angley, Liberace, Judy Garland!, Ethel Merman, PeeWee Merman (yes, I meant Peewee MERMAN), Mr. Rodgers, Dinah Shore, Pavarotti, and, of all people, Merv Griffin.

Actually, most all of it works as intended and he is a stitch! (And has a successful career...)

It is not unusual for someone to be enthralled with impersonation, and to be really, really good at it.
It takes innate talent, study, practice, a knowledge of make-up, lighting, costuming, body language, voice control.

Hmmm. The fact the someone COULD perhaps "do" Viv Stanshall so well would certainly recommend them for a job which involved some impersonation.

An actor, in order to make his portrayal real in a role, must commit 100% to the material and the charactorization.
Forgive my spelling of that impossible word.

It is creating to a degree, illusion. Most of the time, everybody knows it is and marvels.

To become somebody in real life would be to go several dimensions beyond that!

If anybody knew, they would have stand and marvel! Maybe, even, if they're lucky, stand and marvel "arms a kimbo."

And in a fire engine red crew-neck t-shirt as well, if that floats your boat!

I'd personally feel a little less exposed in a nice burnt cinnamon, or even a dusty maroon. Less of a bull's-eye that way.......

[FP]

TI, what are you trying to say with that image?

And so Bill just went back and forth, dying his hair, changing his eyelids, making his jaw wider, and his lips thinner, and he enjoyed it?

[TheDZ]

Hehe Total posted that pic just before I was going to...

The nose pile....LOL!!!

[nicolas]

Liberty said:

I don't quite follow what this all means.

Has Viv always been Billy? Was there never a real Viv?

The answer to your question is in that frame taken from Magical Mystery Tour where Bill shows all the wonderful blue/green colour of his TRUE eyes.

"Normally" when he performed Viv he used lenses EVEN darker than those worn to perform Paul.

So there was SURELY an original Vivian Stanshall as reference to replicate.

[FP]

anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.html

BP, do you think you can like do the same thing, but with Bill? Like give us a picture, with a date, an age, and what plastic surgery he had at that point? Like the all stages of Billy? ;D